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[hedgerow]

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By the Unspoken Names of Those Who Must Not Be Known what the Unholy Fucks is going on in here?

We've got mooks in Florida protesting... something in full nazi regalia throwing out fasisct fuckboy salutes. We had that whole khaki embarrassment in C-ville with their mayonazi chants about jews and blood and other such fascist callbacks. The orange moron literally managed to fuck up damn near every way he and his team of shitbags were able to when trying to overturn the election and then basically overthrow the US government, so we were spared a situation where he might have succeeded in getting himself installed as prez4lyfe BECAUSE HE IS TOO FUCKING INCOMPETENT despite literally the entire q cucks clowncar that is left of the republican party CHEERING HIM ON.

The supreme fucking court with HOW MANY seats filled by presidents who lost the popular vote was WILLING to go along with his bullshit but basically told him he fucked up and had to go back and properly dot his fucking i's and cross his fucking t's.

Ten reps and SEVEN of the fucking senators only said "ok this is too far" after he SENT A MOB OF MAYO MILITIABITCHES AFTER THEM!?!?

These morons worship the turds the orange bitchbaby drops in their mouths, gleefully aided and abetted him, literally had no platform for the last election beyond "whatever that stupid orange cunt wants" and there is doubt about them being authoritarian follower types?

They cheered as a million fucking americans--including many of them--died because hey, if you're too weak to survive, fuck you... and I took cold comfort knowing that stupid shitbrain orange cunt is too fucking incompetent to capitalize on something which any aspiring dictator dreams of: a goddamn global pandemic.

He is now getting nervous over various investigations getting too close to him so he CALLED ON HIS BITCHBOY FOLLOWERS TO INCITE VIOLENCE IN THE CITIES WHERE SAID INVESTIGATIONS ARE UNDER WAY... and there is doubt that this is a fascist movement?

Come on, it sucked but I understood somewhat when people were leery of taking folks like myself and others seriously when we were saying "hey uh... kinda worried about these fucking nazis" before the orange shitbag was elected.

I was more disappointed when people were skeptical as a tiki torch carrying parade of khaki disappointments chanting nazi slogans got called nazis.

Now? Wake the fuck up folks, you don't worry about diluting the terms fascism or nazi when LITERALLY TALKING ABOUT FUCKERS IN SWASTIKAS THROWING HITLER SALUTES ok?

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The guys with the swastikas are not the majority of Trump supporters and they did not vote Trump into power; and it doesn't matter what symbols they wear or what others call them, they are people looking for a justification to control or hurt others.

The people who helped Trump gain power through legitimate democratic and constitutional activity, they included many who are voting against the "1%" who manipulate the federal/state governments to tax the "99%".

The face of the 2016 Trump movement was not a "fascist movement", it was a "democratic movement against the 1% who manipulate the federal/state governments to tax the 99%". And Trump still holds control over those voters because Trump is still the "outsider" in the swamp. The people "looking for a justification to control or hurt others", they are just along for the ride and taking orders from their pack-leader in hopes of justification.

As if no one wanted to Lewis Black the Anthony Jeselnik out of that Chamalett son-of-a-bitch.

But like, aha, no one was paying attention to the politics.  Everyone who isn't a liberal was basically turning a blind eye on the turd bag that's been swindling cocaine for grenadine.

I mean, let's be smart here, they call it the sunshine state for a reason.  Is it safe to say the wind blows because the coffee is hot?  Or is a winter moon just a venti attachment?

Totally fine with it; let them dominate everything but assembly.  I can look down on the hatecrimes when we turn the news on.

Did this come with arm-waving? Because arm-waving would go well with it... Is it outrage about something specific? Can you translate it into something where people are not transitive verbs and "they" is a direct reference?

Look, there's plenty of reasons to use people's names as if they are transitive verbs; you just do it.
To sit there and imply that there should be no reason.
The level of suffrage behind that post.

[MaxTheFox]

Your writing style is a little weird.

[Max™]

Fair enough.  I'm used to interacting with cosplay-nazis more than actual white-supremacists.  I wasn't considering that Trump did attract a lot of the latter too, particularly for the insurrection.

Not like there's a huge difference.  Dedicating yourself to hurting minorities is pretty gross even if you're kissing a dead coward's flag with your chan buddies and haven't been formally inducted into a militarized group, yet.

I mean, the orange turd was a white supremacist long before he brushed up against the various internet-era resurgent fascists, the whole party has ever since Nixon been about scaring white people and using it to get them to vote, plus some godbothering for good measure.

Obviously no president before was ever less suited for support by said godbotherers but never underestimate white evangelicals I guess?

Similarly while it was obvious enough to some of us that Reagan hated everyone who wasn't a mayosapien, he was savvy enough to couch it in more acceptable phrasing, and the whole party in general was fine with just quietly hating non-whites until Obama. After that they still tried to pretend they weren't just about white grievances but holy shit the orange twat really tapped into that vein of disgusting bullshit by being the First White President; as in he was absolutely not president of any part of the country with a tiny bit of melanin in their skin and he was open about it.

More and more him and his ass-suckers would "slip" and confirm this with stuff like "if democrats had the levels of voting among non-whites they want you'd never get a republican elected again" or "african-american voters are voting in just as high a percentage as americans" but it was pretty rare to see them just openly sig-heiling and shit.

Now? If you hear them say "voter fraud" they mean "non-white votes" if you hear them say "inflation" they mean "non-white people having money" if you hear them say "americans" well, know they mean "whites" only.

They've had more than enough time to decry and distance themselves from the fucking fascists, they just tried to rewrite history about the goddamn insurrection, so fuck it, they all get tarred with the same brush here.

[Micro102]

The politicians are maybe. But not the people, that was my argument. And anyways soon they will retire or just straight up die. The bulk of the more radical wing of the Reps are boomers or older. Even then, I don't think it's a majority. Remember, in any parliament there are many of those who just go with the flow, or act by pragmatism.

Couldn't you have said the same thing about the Nazi Party?

[hector13]

Remember, in any parliament there are many of those who just go with the flow, or act by pragmatism.

So as long as they enable the fascism but don’t actively take part, the fascism doesn’t exist, or is otherwise harmless?

[MaxTheFox]

The politicians are maybe. But not the people, that was my argument. And anyways soon they will retire or just straight up die. The bulk of the more radical wing of the Reps are boomers or older. Even then, I don't think it's a majority. Remember, in any parliament there are many of those who just go with the flow, or act by pragmatism.

Couldn't you have said the same thing about the Nazi Party?

I do not believe the transgressions and intentions of the Republican Party are nearly as bad as those of the Nazis. I read enough about both.

Remember, in any parliament there are many of those who just go with the flow, or act by pragmatism.

So as long as they enable the fascism but don’t actively take part, the fascism doesn’t exist, or is otherwise harmless?

I also do not believe they are fascist in the first place so that point is moot. There is, obviously, a fascist faction within them but it is clearly a fringe and thus not comparable to the Nazis. There were no moderate Nazis.

Now, I still oppose them, just as I oppose the right as a whole. But I think your definition of fascism is out of whack and far too broad. And honestly, at this point, I'm tired of this argument which has been going on for several pages now with the same points repeated over and over.

[Micro102]

I do not believe the transgressions and intentions of the Republican Party are nearly as bad as those of the Nazis. I read enough about both.

So what transgressions and intentions could you derive from the Nazi party before they gained the ability to kill all their political opponents? Would someone also be able to go "those ideas are just a minority. People just joined out of pragmatism or to go with the flow"? I can't recall anything striking the Nazi party did before coming to power. Heck, they even pretended to be socialists.

[martinuzz]

Yeah their name sounded pretty communist 'national socialist german worker's party'

[dragdeler]

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[Micro102]

If someone has the option to not guard a Nazi concentration camp (lets say to the extent that they don't risk starvation/homelessness/death), and then guard a Nazi concentration camp, then I'd call them a Nazi.

As tiresome as distinguishing a phalanx from a military formation; unless you want yo say something extremly specific, (like academia levels of specificity) it's a waste of time to even distinguish between the two.

And you are saying this in regards tooooo?

[MaxTheFox]

I do not believe the transgressions and intentions of the Republican Party are nearly as bad as those of the Nazis. I read enough about both.

So what transgressions and intentions could you derive from the Nazi party before they gained the ability to kill all their political opponents? Would someone also be able to go "those ideas are just a minority. People just joined out of pragmatism or to go with the flow"? I can't recall anything striking the Nazi party did before coming to power. Heck, they even pretended to be socialists.

There is a difference. The Republicans have been in power before, several times. Where was the totalitarian state? Where? The US has never been totalitarian, and totalitarianism is absolutely required for fascism. If they had the opportunity to create a totalitarian state but didn't, then they aren't fascists. Even Reagan, who was about as right-wing as Trump, didn't do the shit Nazis, Mussolinists, Francoists did. And honestly, neither did Trump though he was a complete moron who wasn't at all better than the baked potato you have in office.

I wish Bernie had won. Then you'd have returned to sanity. I am sorry for America in its current state, fucked over by two moronic presidents.

[martinuzz]

I wish Bernie had won. Then you'd have returned to sanity.

Return to sanity might be a big thing to wish for, but yeah.

[Micro102]

There is a difference. The Republicans have been in power before, several times. Where was the totalitarian state? Where? The US has never been totalitarian, and totalitarianism is absolutely required for fascism. If they had the opportunity to create a totalitarian state but didn't, then they aren't fascists. Even Reagan, who was about as right-wing as Trump, didn't do the shit Nazis, Mussolinists, Francoists did. And honestly, neither did Trump though he was a complete moron who wasn't at all better than the baked potato you have in office.

I wish Bernie had won. Then you'd have returned to sanity. I am sorry for America in its current state, fucked over by two moronic presidents.

Being in power is separate from being able to take power. Being by far the biggest party in a group of dozens of parties (the Nazis) is much different from being the party that is in control by a slim margin while losing the popular vote by millions in a two party system (the GOP). You could also have pointed to the Nazis right before they killed their opponents and went "look at that, they have power and aren't immediately killing everyone." and it would be a valid argument, but ultimately worthless because the test to determine if a group is a danger to society shouldn't be to wait until you can show that they will murder people.

And really? Both Trump and Biden aren't that different? That's just nonsense. If Biden is trash then Trump is a nuclear waste dump site. It's ridiculous to compare them.

[JoshuaFH]

I do not believe the transgressions and intentions of the Republican Party are nearly as bad as those of the Nazis. I read enough about both.

So what transgressions and intentions could you derive from the Nazi party before they gained the ability to kill all their political opponents? Would someone also be able to go "those ideas are just a minority. People just joined out of pragmatism or to go with the flow"? I can't recall anything striking the Nazi party did before coming to power. Heck, they even pretended to be socialists.

There is a difference. The Republicans have been in power before, several times. Where was the totalitarian state? Where? The US has never been totalitarian, and totalitarianism is absolutely required for fascism. If they had the opportunity to create a totalitarian state but didn't, then they aren't fascists. Even Reagan, who was about as right-wing as Trump, didn't do the shit Nazis, Mussolinists, Francoists did. And honestly, neither did Trump though he was a complete moron who wasn't at all better than the baked potato you have in office.

I wish Bernie had won. Then you'd have returned to sanity. I am sorry for America in its current state, fucked over by two moronic presidents.

The idea is that the Republicans are fascists because they WANT to be totalitarians, not that they are right in the here and now.

Though to re-iterate my own point from a while ago, the Republicans aren't going to be the totalitarians of shit so long as we remain naked capitalists. Big Business will always be the shadow emperors wielding all the social power that people actually care about, Republicans are just trying to restructure the government so they can be the loving lapdogs and bootlickers to their corporate overlords and they can grow fat being their stupid proxies in power. All the yelling and moral platitudes are all distractions to help meet this end.

[MaxTheFox]

Being in power is separate from being able to take power. Being by far the biggest party in a group of dozens of parties (the Nazis) is much different from being the party that is in control by a slim margin while losing the popular vote by millions in a two party system (the GOP). You could also have pointed to the Nazis right before they killed their opponents and went "look at that, they have power and aren't immediately killing everyone." and it would be a valid argument, but ultimately worthless because the test to determine if a group is a danger to society isn't to wait until you can show that they will murder people.

I really don't get your argument. Yes they did have the opportunity to murder everyone they disagreed with several times before over the past damn five decades. What reason do you even have to believe so? That's called being paranoid.

And really? Both Trump and Biden aren't that different? That's just nonsense. If Biden is trash then Trump is a nuclear waste dump site. It's ridiculous to compare them.

Oh they are different, it's just that both are trash. Trump is worse, I agree but I never said he is equal or better. Somehow I don't think you are arguing in good faith here...

The idea is that the Republicans are fascists because they WANT to be totalitarians, not that they are right in the here and now.

They don't, because they could take full totalitarian control before and didn't.

Though to re-iterate my own point from a while ago, the Republicans aren't going to be the totalitarians of shit so long as we remain naked capitalists. Big Business will always be the shadow emperors wielding all the social power that people actually care about, Republicans are just trying to restructure the government so they can be the loving lapdogs and bootlickers to their corporate overlords and they can grow fat being their stupid proxies in power. All the yelling and moral platitudes are all distractions to help meet this end.

Corps are the true enemy indeed.