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[RedKing]

If Biden wins it'll almost certainly be with a Republican Senate, meaning we see very little legislation/action on much at all (especially under the current Supreme Court). Might end up being a victory for the status quo, with some of Trump's biggest executive actions going away but not much else of note.

Biden might have to rule through executive action and bypass Congress.
Which, well...there's a recently-established four year precedent of that, so...¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Dostoevsky]

I wouldn't be surprised if the current Supreme Court suddenly takes a hard(er) stance against executive action. It's actually possible we see the return of a strong interpretation of the nondelegation doctrine, e.g. loss of Chevron deference.

[Lidku]

Many Republicans were only loyal to Trump for the sake of him being a "strongman". If Biden wins the moderate-centrist Republicans will retake their party and things will hopefully will be more stable- if civil war doesn't break-out. If some insurgencies do spring out, hopefully its only relegated to "citizen-militia" right-wing groups and not any of our army proper. The police can't be trusted and even with my hope, they might join militias too sparking a considerable force. The army is loyal to the President by contract and honor- but even then some MIGHT break-away, but hopefully not alot. With that any right-wing reactionary force hopefully can be handled..

It makes me curious however, I wonder how China and Russia would react with if a prolonged dead-locked civil war in tow..

[Dostoevsky]

With an outcome like this, Trump won't be the typical unpopular loser in a presidential contest - he'll have a convincing (to his base, at the very least) argument that he actually won and could quite possibly remain the head of the party as a sort of 'government in exile'.

(And that's setting aside the potential conflict scenarios.)

[Flying Dice]

Looking at Google, seems like Trump is holding his lead in PA, GA, and NC with Biden holding MI and NV.  Going by what's said for current Electorial Totals and adding those states in (along with Alaska/Hawaii), 270 Biden, 268 Trump unless there's a notable shakeup, and if it didn't screw up Nebraska and Maine's potential shenanigans.  Faithless electors at max danger, even if not malicious but by spelling mistakes/other mixups.

Notably, this is before challenges and recounts which will be especially fierce in Michigan and Wisconsin especially due to the sudden spikes you can see on the charts that leave them very suspicious for anyone on the Republican side, especially with it being near totally for Biden and no real visible change for Trump.

It's the mail-in ballots, same as why Pennsylvania and Georgia are still considered to be contested.

Just goes to show how deep voter suppression ran. This election's popular vote is already up more than 10 million from 2016 and it's not even over.

[Zanzetkuken The Great]

With an outcome like this, Trump won't be the typical unpopular loser in a presidential contest - he'll have a convincing (to his base, at the very least) argument that he actually won and could quite possibly remain the head of the party as a sort of 'government in exile'.

(And that's setting aside the potential conflict scenarios.)

Might wind up causing the Republicans to remain kinda held fully together as a result, while Democrats will be having a lot more trouble as the unifying thread of going against Trump will cause some fracturing between old guard Corporate Dems and newly minted Progressive Dems, exacerbated by Bernie being effectively cheated out of nomination twice now.

It's the mail-in ballots, same as why Pennsylvania and Georgia are still considered to be contested.

That is true.  But optically, looks kinda sus to see it to that sheer degree and as a result flipping the state guarantees that there will be challenges.

Just goes to show how deep voter suppression ran. This election's popular vote is already up more than 10 million from 2016 and it's not even over.

I'm hesitant to call it voter suppression when voter apathy can explain it.  Sheer level of anti-Trump got some energy back, but prior ruling party energy drain is a real thing.  H.W. was the last two presidents from same party in a row for decades, after all, and that was kinda Reagan coattails.  You have to go all the way back to Roosevelt and Truman for one party having the presidency for more than 2 elections besides that.

[Starver]

I'm just waiting for the 2020 update to the "faithless elector" Wikipedia page.

I'd appreciate a (double-)update to https://xkcd.com/1122/

[Lord Shonus]

Looks like Trump lost Michigan by 37,965. Jo Jorgensen got 58,585. Trump's almost certain to lose this election now (because of the lead in Nevada, which would put Joe at 270 exactly) because of the Libertarian Party. This is beautiful.

[Lidku]

CAN'T JORG THE JORGENSEN!

[Starver]

So, third(-or-more)-party candidates have been crucially influential again. The phrase "Kingmaker" doesn't seem apt. "Kingbreaker"?

[Doomblade187]

So, third(-or-more)-party candidates have been crucially influential again. The phrase "Kingmaker" doesn't seem apt. "Kingbreaker"?

KINGSLAYER

[ZBridges]

Looks like Trump lost Michigan by 37,965. Jo Jorgensen got 58,585. Trump's almost certain to lose this election now (because of the lead in Nevada, which would put Joe at 270 exactly) because of the Libertarian Party. This is beautiful.

Thank the fucking gods.

[nenjin]

You mean for once the Libertarian vote actually helped the democrats instead of fucking it up for them? 2020, you just don't stop delivering the surprises.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

I still don't really believe in this "counting third party votes". Deciding to actually vote for a third party is an extreme position to take - it doesn't mean you're a Republican or Democrat who decided to vote wrong.

I have no idea of what the Libertarian party's theoretical split to the Democrats and Republicans would be, but it's not 100% the latter. And I guess there might be terfs or something in the Green party who would vote Republican.

Constitution party are flat-out psychotics, that much is for sure.

[hector13]

Oh hey Trump declared his victory a while ago.

I guess we should stop counting.