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« Reply #39705 on: September 27, 2020, 03:34:01 pm »

Right, this doesn't sound like 'rural', this sounds like 'poor peri-Rust-Belt suburbs', which is exactly how you're describing it. These should be treated as different countries. People who live in towns and cities are awful people, of course.

If you really want to make a distinction here, then you're making the definition of rural pretty damn narrow.  Like... most of my classmates in school didn't live in the town I described.  They lived in the surrounding area of expansive farmland.  School buses spent hours every morning collecting kids from all those farm houses.  One of only a couple kids who would associate with me and not always be horrible was like 20 minutes drive away.  He had a single neighbor on a farm across the street.  Any other houses visible from his were on the horizon.  The only other was just down the street from me, who did live in town, but spent most of his time working on the farms of his extended family in the area.  I could ride my bike to the edge of town in 5 minutes in one direction / maybe 10 in the other, and see nothing but fields.  If all these farmers are disqualified from being considered rural because they send their kids to a school located in the midst of a few dozen houses built somewhat close together, then I imagine there are actually very few rural people in the USA.  And I imagine they'd disagree with you.

And again... I'm not saying my experience is universal.  I'm just saying the more positive one isn't universal, either.  I can visit my extended family in Wisconsin who still live on farms, or listen to my parent's stories about growing up around that, and know that good rural people/areas exist.

There's good and awful people everywhere, no matter what conditions they live in.  The difference in my experience is that if you're a cultural outsider in a small town/rural area, then the awful people are guaranteed to make your life hell.  You 100% will not be able to avoid notice and discrimination, and will have to face them.  In suburbs/cities, you can be selective about who you associate with and avoid awful people, even if they're all around.  You're not noticed/known by everyone and nobody cares about randos.

Even so, I do find the crowded atmosphere of suburbs/cities to be miserable, mostly due to the lack of nature.  The lack of trees and expanses of concrete are suffocating to me.  And they have their own cultural problems, too.  I spend almost all of my time indoors because of it, whereas I spent most of my time outside when I was growing up in that small town.  I'd prefer to live further out, either in a nicer area, or have a better chance of keeping to myself as an adult.
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« Reply #39706 on: September 27, 2020, 03:47:39 pm »

If you really want to make a distinction here, then you're making the definition of rural pretty damn narrow.  Like... most of my classmates in school didn't live in the town I described.  They lived in the surrounding area of expansive farmland.  School buses spent hours every morning collecting kids from all those farm houses.  One of only a couple kids who would associate with me and not always be horrible was like 20 minutes drive away.  He had a single neighbor on a farm across the street.  Any other houses visible from his were on the horizon.  The only other was just down the street from me, who did live in town, but spent most of his time working on the farms of his extended family in the area.  I could ride my bike to the edge of town in 5 minutes in one direction / maybe 10 in the other, and see nothing but fields.  If all these farmers are disqualified from being considered rural because they send their kids to a school located in the midst of a few dozen houses built somewhat close together, then I imagine there are actually very few rural people in the USA.  And I imagine they'd disagree with you.
They're not disqualified, no, but it wasn't the kids I was talking about anyway, it was the meth shacks and vandalism. Meth shacks are very much a subrural phenomenon. I, too, know exactly where to drive for about 20-30 minutes if I wanted to find meth shacks for some reason.

The difference in my experience is that if you're a cultural outsider in a small town/rural area, then the awful people are guaranteed to make your life hell.  You 100% will not be able to avoid notice and discrimination, and will have to face them.
This is categorically not true. It may be more likely, but it's certainly not a guarantee. Like you already said, no experience is universal.

My schools, growing up, were nothing like the way schools are depicted on television or the way many people on the internet describe their schools. They were hardly idyllic, but the problems were with relatively low teacher standards and heavy-handed administration, not the student body at all, even though many of them were poor.
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« Reply #39707 on: September 27, 2020, 04:43:42 pm »

Hey as much as I'd like to comment on this urban-rural divide thing I must interrupt this regularly scheduled discussion to bring you this breaking news:

Trump's tax returns have been obtained by the New York Times. And boy are they interesting.
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« Reply #39708 on: September 27, 2020, 04:49:07 pm »

I swear to fucking god. If the stupid tax returns, after four years, are the Democrats' October Surprise...that's about in character for them, really.

Pity they don't seem to have the tape of Trump using slurs, though that's not much better. What they really need is proof that he's been having strokes or other health problems.
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« Reply #39709 on: September 27, 2020, 05:55:21 pm »

What they really need is proof that he's been having strokes or other health problems.

If trump, at the live presidential debate, had a grand mal seizure and shit his pants on stage, would he really lose voters?
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« Reply #39710 on: September 27, 2020, 05:59:37 pm »

No. But I'd get to see Trump have a grand mal seizure and shit his pants on stage, which would be the best thing to happen to me in years. Also, if he's that bad off Pence might actually execute the backstab, which wouldn't help much but again would be somewhat satisfying.
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« Reply #39711 on: September 27, 2020, 06:09:19 pm »

I swear to fucking god. If the stupid tax returns, after four years, are the Democrats' October Surprise...that's about in character for them, really.

This is 100% their October Surprise, right?

My facebook already: not wanting to pay taxes is American as apple pie. The DEMS and the Radical Left (Joe Biden) want to raise taxes on all of us!

This means nothing, even Trump shitting his pants on stage would come out as either a "deep fake" or a brave and heroic thing he did to defend himself from a radical leftist assassin none of us could see.

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« Reply #39712 on: September 27, 2020, 06:14:49 pm »

The worst scenario is that it isn't their October Surprise and they straight up don't have one - in which case not only do they have nothing for the debate except "ORANGE MAN BAD", but they've also been caught off guard by this. And Biden having a seizure/being publicly exposed as a meth user, I guess.

Debates honestly aren't that important to elections IMO, but no one thing will get Trump reelected (by hook or by crook). It's just more debris in a storm of bullshit.

Again, I mostly just want to see Trump suffer since he'll most likely be appointing himself the winner of the election regardless of what happens, and while the tax returns have some of that potential I doubt the Democrats will even know how to cut his ego with it.
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« Reply #39713 on: September 27, 2020, 10:32:53 pm »

"October Surpise" was just the dish the dems were bringing to the prez debate potluck.
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« Reply #39714 on: September 27, 2020, 10:45:22 pm »

He wrote off like 3/4 of a million dollars for having Ivanka work as a consultant to the White House.

How....just.....how? How can he claim someone working for his administration some how has an impact on his personal income taxes? So not only does he pay his daughter American tax dollars to work for him, HE claims it as a tax write off for himself?
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« Reply #39715 on: September 27, 2020, 11:21:14 pm »

"October Surpise" was just the dish the dems were bringing to the prez debate potluck.

Something something Goya beans

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« Reply #39716 on: September 27, 2020, 11:33:34 pm »

...

True story, I once bought some Goya brand garbanzo beans, and found 12 mummified crickets in the bag.


Thankfully I bought them for seed use, rather than culinary use, but still.


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« Reply #39717 on: September 27, 2020, 11:42:50 pm »

He wrote off like 3/4 of a million dollars for having Ivanka work as a consultant to the White House.
You know I hadn't considered that, I was still stuck on him spending 70k on his hair and writing it off as a business expense.

70k for that hair.
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« Reply #39718 on: September 27, 2020, 11:54:32 pm »

It has to be that exact shade of toxic-waste-orange.  You have any idea how hard it is to get consistent color from hair care products not actually intended to cause color changes?  It's delicate chemistry that needs specialists!!
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« Reply #39719 on: September 27, 2020, 11:58:11 pm »

He wrote off like 3/4 of a million dollars for having Ivanka work as a consultant to the White House.
You know I hadn't considered that, I was still stuck on him spending 70k on his hair and writing it off as a business expense.

70k for that hair.

This is the perfect analogy for American Military spending.
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