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[PTTG??]

Obama's congress literally stole a supreme court justice, to give some context as to how much they were willing to compromise.

[Folly]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/05/20/what-happened-all-trumps-infrastructure-weeks-trump-happened/

Speaking of branches of government not doing their jobs, Trump declined to do an important planned infrastructure meeting today. Trump says it's because infrastructure and investigations just don't mix. The Dem's are saying it's because he has no idea how to get the $2 trillion that he wants to spend.

[smjjames]

I can't help but wonder if Pelosi intentionally sunk that one because she had to have known how Trump would react. It actually seems like it might have been planned independently on both sides, which is just nuts.

Also, the debt ceiling deadline is being moved up earlier than thought, sometime in late summer. I know nobody truly wants a default, but I wouldn't put it past Trump to pull some sort of desperate move that ends up going past it.

[nenjin]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/05/20/what-happened-all-trumps-infrastructure-weeks-trump-happened/

Speaking of branches of government not doing their jobs, Trump declined to do an important planned infrastructure meeting today. Trump says it's because infrastructure and investigations just don't mix. The Dem's are saying it's because he has no idea how to get the $2 trillion that he wants to spend.

He didn't know how to pay for it 2 years ago when it was just $1 trillion. He wants to cut other stuff from the budget rather than raise taxes to pay for it.

[Lord Shonus]

But what if the incentive to compromise has been removed via other means before that? It's a chicken-egg scenario. Obama did his EO (though some Dems did say that doing that was too much) because he was frustrated at Congress and Congress was refusing to compromise. I know it's more complex than just not compromising, but theres a feedback effect here since both actions feed off of each other. Basically, what if saying 'if Congress won't act, I will!' is a sign of a broken Congress rather than the other way around? Though I suppose it'd be a sign that both are broken, which comes right back to the chicken-egg thing.

You aren't wrong, but you don't fix a building by hacking away at the load-bearing walls - not without reinforcing them first, at least. That reinforcement is exactly what happened in 1860, when Lincoln actually needed near-imperial power to fight the Civil War. SCOTUS threw out most of his attempts to take it directly, then Congress voted him such powers in an explicitly limited timeframe. The solution to a broken Congress, especially for a sitting Congresswoman, is to address the structural problems, not simply declare "Congress is broken, so I'll throw it away if you put me in charge."

[Egan_BW]

fuck it, let's just get an emperor /s

[smjjames]

I get your point, though addressing the problem is going to require consistent leadership on both sides or some sort of coalition with both sides because without that, both the load bearing walls and the reinforcement get rotted away and you can't just reinforce on one side as it ends up being unstable. The extended metaphor kind of gets mangled when you translate it into politics, but you probably get the idea.

Anyways, I've mostly heard about EOs getting proposed being used for gun control and climate change, so, it sounds more like pandering to the base atm, if anything. It'll likely start showing up in the debates if she is actually serious about it.

fuck it, let's just get an emperor/empress /s

FIFY, lol.

[Trekkin]

I can't help but wonder if Pelosi intentionally sunk that one because she had to have known how Trump would react. It actually seems like it might have been planned independently on both sides, which is just nuts.

What would it have looked like if she didn't, though? Democrats weren't even meaningfully involved in the meeting; there was no meeting before it became a tantrum, if you believe their account, and even if not it's hard to explain the slides and the brevity of the meeting any other way. In a larger sense, of course he'd pull something like this. He always rants and attacks when he's worried.

I guess maybe she could have sunk it just by attending, since he's so reliably triggered by women with thoughts, but how do you talk about a $2 trillion infrastructure package without the heads of both houses of Congress?

[Bumber]

What would it have looked like if she didn't, though? Democrats weren't even meaningfully involved in the meeting; there was no meeting before it became a tantrum, if you believe their account, and even if not it's hard to explain the slides and the brevity of the meeting any other way. In a larger sense, of course he'd pull something like this. He always rants and attacks when he's worried.

I guess maybe she could have sunk it just by attending, since he's so reliably triggered by women with thoughts, but how do you talk about a $2 trillion infrastructure package without the heads of both houses of Congress?

The way I understand it:

• Trump, Schumer, and Pelosi have infrastructure meeting planned for the day.
• Pelosi gets out of a Democrat meeting and tells the press she thinks Trump's doing a coverup.
• Schumer and Pelosi show up for infrastructure meeting.
• Trump arrives and says he won't work under these conditions, tells them to finish their "investigations" first, then leaves.
• Pelosi acts baffled as to why Trump cancelled the infrastructure meeting, offers her prayers.

[Folly]

Pelosi didn't say she thinks Trump is doing a coverup. Pelosi mentioned that Trump has done a coverup. We're well past acknowledging this as fact by now.

And even if it was just Dem's spreading nasty baseless rumors, that's just the way politics are, and it's no excuse for shirking his responsibility of managing trillions of dollars that hundreds of millions of people are trusting him to use for essential infrastructure spending. Disaster victims are literally relying on him right now and he's acting like a spoiled brat.

[Cheesy Honkers]

sing us a song you're the orange man, sing us a song tonight

[smjjames]

Pelosi didn't say she thinks Trump is doing a coverup. Pelosi mentioned that Trump has done a coverup. We're well past acknowledging this as fact by now.

And even if it was just Dem's spreading nasty baseless rumors, that's just the way politics are, and it's no excuse for shirking his responsibility of managing trillions of dollars that hundreds of millions of people are trusting him to use for essential infrastructure spending. Disaster victims are literally relying on him right now and he's acting like a spoiled brat.

Either way, it's a mess because Trump has skin thinner than rice paper.

[SalmonGod]

U.S. Justice Dept just unveiled 17 more charges against Assange.  So yet another in a long line of I-told-you-so's against those who initially bought the obvious lie and decried alarmism over one minor charge worth only a few years.

[Frumple]

... did anyone here actually do that? I might have been one of like two people that mentioned the charge as-is wasn't out of line or whatever, and I'm pretty sure I noted that if shit changed and other charges dropped, the situation would, y'know, change.

Innit he still not extradited, anyway? Considering the new charges appear to be under the espionage act the UK might not even be allowed to extradite under their laws in the face of that. Someone or another on that side of the pond has some kind of restriction on doing that in the face of a potential death sentence, iirc.

[smjjames]

It's notable, and probably telling, that many of the charges are centered around Manning, like they need to get Assanage in order to get Manning or something. He hasn't been extradited yet AFAIK.