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[MrRoboto75]

Whatever you do, just make sure you agree with Shazbot's political views. Nevermind we're living in an era where the president will straight up invent facts, but how DARE you malign Infowars.

Hey, someone needs to care about the frogs.

[Trekkin]

Why do I bother. You want to believe the worst, you have a lie that supports the worst, you will believe the worst.

Wouldn't the worst, in this case, be that Alex Jones is candidly reporting on an actual global deep state conspiracy? Surely that's worse than him being a nutcase.

In that case, the people who want to believe the worst and have lies that support the worst would presumably be Infowars fans.

[Gentlefish]

Whatever you do, just make sure you agree with Shazbot's political views. Nevermind we're living in an era where the president will straight up invent facts, but how DARE you malign Infowars.

Hey, someone needs to care about the frogs.

The frogs are gay, they're cheering in the streets!

[PTTG??]

A global deep state conspiracy would actually imply cooperative global leadership and a form of political unity. Impersonally, such an organization may be bad for a given group, but after a while the leadership -- whatever form it takes -- presumably will solidify its control and produce a stable and peaceful political climate.

The real worst-case scenario would be if the world, on the largest scale, was controlled by inhuman forces with no conscious direction, and that only fear and avarice control the interaction of nations, with no great destiny planned and total annihilation of all known sentient life remained a reasonable possibility for the next century or more.

[smjjames]

The real worst-case scenario would be if the world, on the largest scale, was controlled by inhuman forces with no conscious direction, and that only fear and avarice control the interaction of nations, with no great destiny planned and total annihilation of all known sentient life remained a reasonable possibility for the next century or more.

God or gods maybe?

the athiest in me couldn't resist the joke, sorry, lol

[MrRoboto75]

The real worst-case scenario would be if the world, on the largest scale, was controlled by inhuman forces with no conscious direction, and that only fear and avarice control the interaction of nations, with no great destiny planned and total annihilation of all known sentient life remained a reasonable possibility for the next century or more.

God or gods maybe?

the athiest in me couldn't resist the joke, sorry, lol

In the old testament god saw there was too much evil, so he did the deific version of flipping the table by flooding the world.

[Baffler]

The real worst-case scenario would be if the world, on the largest scale, was controlled by inhuman forces with no conscious direction, and that only fear and avarice control the interaction of nations, with no great destiny planned and total annihilation of all known sentient life remained a reasonable possibility for the next century or more.

God or gods maybe?

the athiest in me couldn't resist the joke, sorry, lol

In the old testament god saw there was too much evil, so he did the deific version of flipping the table by flooding the world.

He also swore to never do that again, so I think we can count that out as a solution unless someone somehow does it themselves.

[Reelya]

He also swore to never do that again, so I think we can count that out as a solution unless someone somehow does it themselves.

God said to Noah and his sons:

I am giving you my blessing. Have a lot of children and grandchildren, so people will live everywhere on this earth. 2 All animals, birds, reptiles, and fish will be afraid of you. I have placed them under your control, and I have given them to you for food. From now on, you may eat them, as well as the green plants that you have always eaten.

I'm seeing a Bible Plot Hole here with The Lord telling Noah he can now eat animals. This doesn't really equate with the Cain and Abel story (plant grower scorned in favor of animal herder). Also seems a weird way to celebrate wiping out the world's sin by enacting a new age of murder-feasting.

[redwallzyl]

Interesting note here as this seems to have turned into the impromptu religion discussion thread. the flood story is one of the bible stories that is actually written twice slightly differently in the bible. The reason is one was the common version and the other was the priestly version. They compromised when compiling the old testament by putting them both in. Quite interesting.

Flood Version 1:

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(Genesis 6 NRSV) When people began to multiply on the face of the ground, and daughters were born to them, {2} the sons of God saw that they were fair; and they took wives for themselves of all that they chose. {3} Then the LORD said, "My spirit shall not abide in mortals forever, for they are flesh; their days shall be one hundred twenty years." {4} The Nephilim were on the earth in those days--and also afterward--when the sons of God went in to the daughters of humans, who bore children to them. These were the heroes that were of old, warriors of renown.

{5} The LORD saw that the wickedness of humankind was great in the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of their hearts was only evil continually. {6} And the LORD was sorry that he had made humankind on the earth, and it grieved him to his heart. {7} So the LORD said, "I will blot out from the earth the human beings I have created--people together with animals and creeping things and birds of the air, for I am sorry that I have made them." {8} But Noah found favor in the sight of the LORD.

(Genesis 7 NRSV) Then the LORD said to Noah, "Go into the ark, you and all your household, for I have seen that you alone are righteous before me in this generation. {2} Take with you seven pairs of all clean animals, the male and its mate; and a pair of the animals that are not clean, the male and its mate; {3} and seven pairs of the birds of the air also, male and female, to keep their kind alive on the face of all the earth. {4} For in seven days I will send rain on the earth for forty days and forty nights; and every living thing that I have made I will blot out from the face of the ground." {5} And Noah did all that the LORD had commanded him.

{10} And after seven days the waters of the flood came on the earth.{7} And Noah with his sons and his wife and his sons' wives went into the ark to escape the waters of the flood. {8} Of clean animals, and of animals that are not clean, and of birds, and of everything that creeps on the ground, {9} two and two, male and female, went into the ark with Noah, as God had commanded Noah. {16} And those that entered, male and female of all flesh, went in as God had commanded him; and the LORD shut him in.

{12} The rain fell on the earth forty days and forty nights. {22} everything on dry land in whose nostrils was the breath of life died. {23} He blotted out every living thing that was on the face of the ground, human beings and animals and creeping things and birds of the air; they were blotted out from the earth. Only Noah was left, and those that were with him in the ark.

{6} At the end of forty days Noah opened the window of the ark that he had made {2} the fountains of the deep and the windows of the heavens were closed, the rain from the heavens was restrained, {3} and the waters gradually receded from the earth. At the end of one hundred fifty days the waters had abated; {7} and sent out the raven; and it went to and fro until the waters were dried up from the earth. {8} Then he sent out the dove from him, to see if the waters had subsided from the face of the ground; {9} but the dove found no place to set its foot, and it returned to him to the ark, for the waters were still on the face of the whole earth. So he put out his hand and took it and brought it into the ark with him. {10} He waited another seven days, and again he sent out the dove from the ark; {11} and the dove came back to him in the evening, and there in its beak was a freshly plucked olive leaf; so Noah knew that the waters had subsided from the earth. {12} Then he waited another seven days, and sent out the dove; and it did not return to him any more.

{13} In the six hundred first year, in the first month, the first day of the month, the waters were dried up from the earth; and Noah removed the covering of the ark, and looked, and saw that the face of the ground was drying.{20} Then Noah built an altar to the LORD, and took of every clean animal and of every clean bird, and offered burnt offerings on the altar. {21} And when the LORD smelled the pleasing odor, the LORD said in his heart, "I will never again curse the ground because of humankind, for the inclination of the human heart is evil from youth; nor will I ever again destroy every living creature as I have done. {22} As long as the earth endures, seedtime and harvest, cold and heat, summer and winter, day and night, shall not cease."

{18} The sons of Noah who went out of the ark were Shem, Ham, and Japheth. Ham was the father of Canaan. {19} These three were the sons of Noah; and from these the whole earth was peopled. {20} Noah, a man of the soil, was the first to plant a vineyard. {21}

https://www.davnet.org/kevin/articles/flood2.html

Flood Version 2:

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(Genesis 6 NRSV) {9} These are the descendants of Noah. Noah was a righteous man, blameless in his generation; Noah walked with God. {10} And Noah had three sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth.

{11} Now the earth was corrupt in God's sight, and the earth was filled with violence. {12} And God saw that the earth was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted its ways upon the earth. {13} And God said to Noah, "I have determined to make an end of all flesh, for the earth is filled with violence because of them; now I am going to destroy them along with the earth.

{14} Make yourself an ark of cypress wood; make rooms in the ark, and cover it inside and out with pitch. {15} This is how you are to make it: the length of the ark three hundred cubits, its width fifty cubits, and its height thirty cubits. {16} Make a roof for the ark, and finish it to a cubit above; and put the door of the ark in its side; make it with lower, second, and third decks.

{17} For my part, I am going to bring a flood of waters on the earth, to destroy from under heaven all flesh in which is the breath of life; everything that is on the earth shall die. {18} But I will establish my covenant with you; and you shall come into the ark, you, your sons, your wife, and your sons' wives with you.

{19} And of every living thing, of all flesh, you shall bring two of every kind into the ark, to keep them alive with you; they shall be male and female. {20} Of the birds according to their kinds, and of the animals according to their kinds, of every creeping thing of the ground according to its kind, two of every kind shall come in to you, to keep them alive. {21} Also take with you every kind of food that is eaten, and store it up; and it shall serve as food for you and for them." {22} Noah did this; he did all that God commanded him.

{6} Noah was six hundred years old when the flood of waters came on the earth. {11} In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, on the seventeenth day of the month, on that day all the fountains of the great deep burst forth, and the windows of the heavens were opened. {13} On the very same day Noah with his sons, Shem and Ham and Japheth, and Noah's wife and the three wives of his sons entered the ark, {14} they and every wild animal of every kind, and all domestic animals of every kind, and every creeping thing that creeps on the earth, and every bird of every kind--every bird, every winged creature. {15} They went into the ark with Noah, two and two of all flesh in which there was the breath of life.

{17} The flood continued forty days on the earth; and the waters increased, and bore up the ark, and it rose high above the earth. {18} The waters swelled and increased greatly on the earth; and the ark floated on the face of the waters. {19} The waters swelled so mightily on the earth that all the high mountains under the whole heaven were covered; {20} the waters swelled above the mountains, covering them fifteen cubits deep. {21} And all flesh died that moved on the earth, birds, domestic animals, wild animals, all swarming creatures that swarm on the earth, and all human beings;{24} And the waters swelled on the earth for one hundred fifty days.

 (Genesis 8 NRSV) But God remembered Noah and all the wild animals and all the domestic animals that were with him in the ark. And God made a wind blow over the earth, and the waters subsided;{4} and in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, the ark came to rest on the mountains of Ararat. {5} The waters continued to abate until the tenth month; in the tenth month, on the first day of the month, the tops of the mountains appeared.{14} In the second month, on the twenty-seventh day of the month, the earth was dry. {15} Then God said to Noah, {16} "Go out of the ark, you and your wife, and your sons and your sons' wives with you. {17} Bring out with you every living thing that is with you of all flesh--birds and animals and every creeping thing that creeps on the earth--so that they may abound on the earth, and be fruitful and multiply on the earth." {18} So Noah went out with his sons and his wife and his sons' wives. {19} And every animal, every creeping thing, and every bird, everything that moves on the earth, went out of the ark by families.

 (Genesis 9 NRSV) God blessed Noah and his sons, and said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth. {2} The fear and dread of you shall rest on every animal of the earth, and on every bird of the air, on everything that creeps on the ground, and on all the fish of the sea; into your hand they are delivered. {3} Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you; and just as I gave you the green plants, I give you everything. {4} Only, you shall not eat flesh with its life, that is, its blood. {5} For your own lifeblood I will surely require a reckoning: from every animal I will require it and from human beings, each one for the blood of another, I will require a reckoning for human life. {6} Whoever sheds the blood of a human, by a human shall that person's blood be shed; for in his own image God made humankind.

{7} And you, be fruitful and multiply, abound on the earth and multiply in it." {8} Then God said to Noah and to his sons with him, {9} "As for me, I am establishing my covenant with you and your descendants after you, {10} and with every living creature that is with you, the birds, the domestic animals, and every animal of the earth with you, as many as came out of the ark. {11} I establish my covenant with you, that never again shall all flesh be cut off by the waters of a flood, and never again shall there be a flood to destroy the earth." {12} God said, "This is the sign of the covenant that I make between me and you and every living creature that is with you, for all future generations: {13} I have set my bow in the clouds, and it shall be a sign of the covenant between me and the earth. {14} When I bring clouds over the earth and the bow is seen in the clouds, {15} I will remember my covenant that is between me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and the waters shall never again become a flood to destroy all flesh. {16} When the bow is in the clouds, I will see it and remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is on the earth." {17} God said to Noah, "This is the sign of the covenant that I have established between me and all flesh that is on the earth."

{28} After the flood Noah lived three hundred fifty years. {29} All the days of Noah were nine hundred fifty years; and he died.

https://www.davnet.org/kevin/articles/flood2.html

[nenjin]

impromptu

Maybe "default" is a better term there.

[SalmonGod]

And all flesh that is on the earth and covenants and all flesh that is covenant of flesh that is on the earth of floods and flesh and covenants on the earth.

[smjjames]

The first version makes it sound like it took 600 years for habitable land to show up. I guess it taking about a year to dry out strained disbelief less than 600 years. Still have to suspend disbelief about how the hell to feed all of those animals.

Someone petition Imic to reopen the religion thread, lol.

Noah’s Ark still makes for a great metaphor for Ark Terra.

[Reelya]

I think the "in the 600th year" is meant to be a date, not an elapsed time. 600 years since creation.

BTW some Young Earth Creationists get around the animal numbers problem by postulating that there was only one pair of each "kind" which they've raised to the level of genus or order instead of species, then the postulate that "hyper evolution" occured afterwards, something like 10000 times faster than scientists claim it does, to create e.g. everything from tigers to lions to housecats from one pair of "cat-kind" on the ark. so, normal evolution? Not enough time. But God can do anything, so magical hyper evolution is completely sensible.

[MrRoboto75]

I think the "in the 600th year" is meant to be a date, not an elapsed time. 600 years since creation.

BTW some Young Earth Creationists get around the animal numbers problem by postulating that there was only one pair of each "kind" which they've raised to the level of genus or order instead of species, then the postulate that "hyper evolution" occured afterwards, something like 10000 times faster than scientists claim it does, to create e.g. everything from tigers to lions to housecats from one pair of "cat-kind" on the ark. so, normal evolution? Not enough time. But God can do anything, so magical hyper evolution is completely sensible.

Maybe the dinosaurs getting asteroid'd was another flood level table flipping from god.

[WealthyRadish]

Maybe the dinosaurs getting asteroid'd was another flood level table flipping from god.

Serves 'em right, honestly, the sluts.