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[smjjames]

Just more dramatic and attention grabbing to use the mouse I guess?

[wierd]

Oh silly ones. I am old enough to be a greybeard, and remember the arcane world that existed before the GUI was even invented. (My first PC experience was on DOS2.1, on a system with 384k of ram, and no hard drive.)

You would think I don't know how to navigate with the keyboard!? *uncontrollable laughter*

[Starver]

Still, what would you do here..?

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[TheBiggerFish]

This isn't very Ameripol...

[wierd]

continue of course.

canceling a cancellation is how you keep getting the shit you dont want.

[Starver]

Neither is actual Ameripol, at the moment. But point taken.

Spoiler: But, to resolve the ninja ... (click to show/hide)

"Continue" continues the process of cancelling. "Cancel" cancels the cancellation process...

[wierd]

That is a cancellation for a SUBSCRIPTION.  I do not give out my address willingly. Damn straight I want to continue the cancellation!

[Max™]

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Last time I fell for one, (the used a URL shortener), it did in fact move my mouse.

It did so using some simple javascript that does this very thing. (a fun thing we did in JS class was to make a window with a close button you cannot click on, because it moves your mouse away as soon as you get near it.)

Yeah, this was a RAT (root access trojan) that got loaded when I clicked the redirected page overlay I'm thinking, and it wasn't just avoiding the close button, and obviously wasn't the lmgtfy link. Apparently these aren't actually that out there for a certain era of windows, from like 98 through 8.1 apparently? I was on 7 for school stuff like I said but I've been using linux so long I completely lost track of the different shit you gotta watch for on windows vs linux.

Wasn't technically using a mouse, it was a PS2 controller via a joypad > mouse emulation layer but I got tired of messing with those and ended up learning how to write my own mousekeys .xkb files. I'm so verb even when I mouse I keyboard!

Still, what would you do here..?

Ctrl+Shift+C to pull up inspector, check and see if there was an easy way to flip on the choice I want, otherwise just delete the whole block and grab whatever I was after from underneath it before nuking every bit of the rest of it off my side?

[smjjames]

We could get back on topic though, yes.....

[Frumple]

Well, I don't think I noticed it being mentioned trump has more or less directly declared war on the freedom caucus. Some other messes apparently starting up, too. Remains to be seen what comes of it, if anything, but intraparty relations look like they're starting to blatantly break down.

[Max™]

Oh yes, who's got the popcorn?

[EnigmaticHat]

You know, I'm realizing I don't actually want Trump impeached.  This is so much better than Mike Pence would be.

[Reelya]

A shake-up of one side of politics could mean a shake-up of both. Because if the opposition has disciplined solidarity then your side is pressured to adopt the same. When the pressure is off however, then you are more free for a shake-up.

Jonothan Haidt is one of the guys saying that in the modern world, left/right based on labor/capital is actually not a good description of the main political divides: the bigger divide is between localists/nationalists and globalists/cosmopolitans. And when you have the fault lines shifting like that a lot of the traditional political institutions on both sides no longer make sense: people on one side or the other suddenly find they're on the wrong side of the shifting fault lines. The political divide is dynamic and is probably tied to shifting economic realities: internationalists are more likely in big cities, because big cities are more economically tied into the international markets, whereas regional cities are more tied into the local economy: they believe that by crippling international trade they'll strengthen local region trade, zero-sum game etc.

This is the reason modern right-wing conspiracy talk is all about "globalists" and "NWO" instead of "commies". It's a reactionary response to internationalism. Sure they dredge up the spectre of communism now and then but the modern rightist isn't actually all that concerned about e.g. Cuba, Iran, China or North Korea, as long as those guys keep their system in their own country. They're more apt to label the UN as the true commies, because they represent Internationalism.

So you have situations with blue collar workers supporting a billionaire because his nationalist/localist policies are more important to them than the labor/capital divide. A lot of more dogmatic leftists (e.g. those people who hand out socialist worker type newspapers) claim they "don't understand" why working class people are on the "wrong side" of such-and-such a thing. But that's easily explained. Those socialist worker types see *everything* as being about their one pet issue, "smash capitalism", basically the only tool in their toolbox is the hammer, so every problem is a nail. You can't fix anything if your tools aren't fit for the job.

[smjjames]

Both sides are in need of a shakeup actually, if for different reasons. We saw the cracks in the Republican coalition during the primaries and even though they got a temporary stability boost, the divisions have been laid bare now that they are in the majority and actually have to govern.

The Dems have their own divisions too, but they also have major problems of their own. Losing was probably the best thing they needed, winning the WH would have just left the problems to fester as they wouldn't be facing them head on.

At the end of the day though, we're still going to have a Republican party and a Democratic party because the FPTP system bars any third parties from becoming very effective. So, the third parties either get absorbed by either main party or do what Trump did and wear the coat of either main party while not really being of the party they're running for. I suppose we might expect more candidates who are Republican/Democrat in name only now, since Trump has proven that tactic to be pretty effective.

[Sergarr]

You know, I'm realizing I don't actually want Trump impeached.  This is so much better than Mike Pence would be.

Pence would get impeached, too. He's Manafort guy, and that means he's in the club of pro-Russian anti-American traitors.