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[smjjames]

Seems more like Mexico would be an ally than a potentiaial invader, but yes, without an army, navy, and airforce that is willing to defect at the same time (like with the Civil War, minus the airforce), it wouldn't work.

[Vendayn]

Look, ven, here's the thing:  Immediately after California declared itself independent the U.S. would invade and wreck the place.  If by some miracle the U.S. was beaten off hard enough that they didn't immediately redouble their efforts, the next thing Cali has to worry about is an immediate invasion by Mexico.  Assuming they weather that intact the U.S. will be right back so as to forestall any attempt by China to exploit the situation.  All of this is academic tho' as there is NO way that Cali can fight off the U.S. military.

Well, I assume if california voted for it. Would it instead not be a peaceful transition? I guess that would also be a big assumption depending how the other states felt about it (especially since they are a lot poorer). But the theory is, that voting for it would mean it would end up as a peaceful transition not one to cause a civil war.

And mexico wouldn't really have any reason to invade for no reason. Though guess that has happened before, but dunno why they would suddenly attack. Especially if the remaining states of the US were still friendly to the independent nation of california. Or mexico would be more likely an ally like pointed out above.

A lot of theories and assumptions obviously.

[NullForceOmega]

Mexico would kill to take back California, the benefit to their economy would revitalize the whole nation, they would be idiots to not attempt to seize it.

[NullForceOmega]

Ven, there is NO SUCH thing as a 'peaceful' transition from U.S. state to independent nation, it would be crushed by the Union, regardless of how many Californians 'voted' to leave.  The Union is unbreakable.

Edit: sorry for the doublepost.

[smjjames]

And California WAS part of Mexico, so, they probably still have the 'former territory' causus belli.

Why didn't Mexico take advantage of the situation during the Civil War and try to take back Texas though?

[NullForceOmega]

Texas had the backing of the other Confederate states, and a large, veteran military.

[Baffler]

The only thing to note here is that California is fannytroubled by the outcome of the election. It'll be forgotten in two weeks.

[smjjames]

The only thing to note here is that California is fannytroubled by the outcome of the election. It'll be forgotten in two weeks.

Well, it's the liberals in general who are butthurt, not just California. Plus the people currently protesting against Trump in at least 7 cities.

You're right though, it'll be forgotten once things cool down.

[My Name is Immaterial]

Spoiler: My two cents as a Californian, not here to argue, just to let my voice be heard (click to show/hide)

no you fuckwits thats the stupidest thing ive heard since I heard that our candidates were trump and clinton
and theres been a lot of stupid shit between now and then

[NullForceOmega]

Bonus: 29% of the 18 million registered voters in California are Republicans, when Cali leaves the Union, what happens to these people?  Or others who don't want to leave?  Will they be told to get out?  That's around 5 million people who live and work in California gone, who's going to do their jobs?  Then you have over 2 million Mexican illegals (estimated) inside the state right now, when you declare independence how does that get handled?  Even if all of this gets planned out you still have a military that is nearly half the size of the state's population breathing down your neck.  This is a fantasy that, even if it does become reality, will only cause massive heartbreak and death.

[wierd]

If Ca managed to leave the union, they would be screwed.

Here is why:

1) they depend on river water originating upstream, controlled by the US. The US would have no reasonable need to let them have that water.

2) due to issues with clingy smog and nimbyism, Ca lacks enough power plants to sustain itself. It relies on imported power, distributed over interstate high voltage transfer lines. Lines that have no reason to be serviced or maintained after they leave the union.

3) they are major deficit spenders at the state level, and require federal aid every year to maintain their social programs.

Taken together, Ca would suffer horribly if they exited the union.

[Powder Miner]

>should California become its own nation
depends on if you like water
or lack of bankruptcy
or half our farmland (many of the more eastern farmland counties are in fact republican and probably wouldn't take it sitting down)

[SquatchHammer]

And California WAS part of Mexico, so, they probably still have the 'former territory' causus belli.

Why didn't Mexico take advantage of the situation during the Civil War and try to take back Texas though?

You forgot that during the Civil War that the Union was fighting to bring those states back in. So Mexico did NOT want another loss against the United States. The same thing will happen if they took advantage of the hypothetical Californian exit.

[wierd]

Every year, Ca catches fire.

Many reputable climatologists state that Ca will experience persistent drought for the next 1000 years due to climate change. The fires will intensify.

How will they put them out every year without aid?

[balrogkernel]

Of course it's possible for California to become a nation, it just needs to have its own launchers and nuclear weapon stockpiles.  Nuclear subs would be extra credit.

It's a morbid joke, but true.  The bottom line is that if any state declared independence, there would be an extremely aggressive reaction in order to deter independence of other states and to "maintain order".