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[hector13]

Anyone willing to give me odds on FoU being a Jester?

[juicebox]

hector: I gues they are pretty much the same.I think it's because I derived my questions from your arguments with TWS and FoU. I don't think FoU's a jester

FoU:

Ooh, I like this one. Okay...

Everybody: Please categorize your current night strategy as one of these: Aggressive(whatever you're doing, you're pushing, taking risks, doing things you're uncertain about because they may produce results), Probing(you wait and see, you analyze, you only act on things you're relatively certain about, you're cautious), Defensive(you want to keep yourself safe above most else, may involve acting on people who attack you during the day), Random(you don't care about who you're acting on at this point), Other(explain), Extreme(choose another night strategy and take it to the extreme), Cross(your strategy is somewhere between two others).

My night strategy is probing

I would like to note, for future reference, that this looks like a bandwagon on me. Mainly because hector's voting me because reasons(which seems reasonable), but the other two are only going with "I agree with hector". I'd bet at least one of the three people voting me are scum.

My vote on you was actually more of a pressure vote on you.

So, how important do you think the night phase is in this game? More specifically, do you think it is important enough that you don't have to put as much effort into the day game?

UXLZ: maybe I'm just missing something, but I don't see what's causing you to lose your powers.

Imic: Is there any other reason you're voting for FoU? The one you're currently giving isn't really a good one

Weirdo: Do you plan on actually doing anything this game?

[Imic]

@Juicebox

I'm not really sure, just jumping on the bandwagon, really. Although, if he is a jester...
Unvote

[TheBiggerFish]

I don't think FoU's a Jester, it doesn't fit.

[TheBiggerFish]

And no, I don't know why or what it doesn't fit.

But they just don't feel very Jester-y.

hector:How badly do you think Mafia Marathon's current state might be affecting your Jesterdar here?

[FallacyofUrist]

Anyone willing to give me odds on FoU being a Jester?

0%.
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UXLZ: maybe I'm just missing something, but I don't see what's causing you to lose your powers.

this is my take on it: he's acting on Tiruin tonight, and Tiruin claimed Teal Goo.
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[ReynTheLord]

I vote for NO LYNCH

[TheDarkStar]

I vote for NO LYNCH

Why?

[fillipk]

I picked weirdo because he was the first one to get in this game.  I wanted to see how he would react.

How about 'she', guy?

Sorry about this.  Honestly didn't know.

Anyone willing to give me odds on FoU being a Jester?

0%.

I'd up it to 25%

I've got some suspicions but nothing concrete, I'm okay with a Fou lynch but I'm not jumping on the bandwagon.

EBWOP: Especially since this came up

I vote for NO LYNCH

This is by far the worst thing we can do aside from lynching a Jester.  It gives us no new information to work with day 2.  This was covered in a beginners mafia at least there was an article in the opening post

Spoiler: On D1 No-lynches (click to show/hide)

I'm not an IC, but I once wrote a rant about nolynches on Day One that I think would be beneficial for this audience, so I quote it below. In brief, you can (i.e., it's a valid vote, and if it has majority no lynch will happen) but you shouldn't unless you have a very very good reason. Actual ICs will, of course, chime in with their own thoughts, and there are different considerations to be had in subsequent days; the below applies only for D1.

Even in a game like this, or a role-heavy game like a BYOR, paranormal, or bastard, without a D1 lynch people will lack context for the conversation during the day, which is the very point of the day game. The information lost is not just the flip of a person, but who voted them, with what arguments, and forms the very foundation of how the town power roles will choose their night actions. Information is key, and timely information moreso. People flipping at the start of D2 is not nearly as useful, and a nolynch will result in people using their powers on whoever they were voting (if block/investigate) or a crapshoot for protections and the like, due to lack of context and closure.

A D1 no-lynch pretty much wastes all of D1 content, and gives scum a chance to NK/convert/whatever while town has to shoot in the dark. The amount of information lost is not small, but most importantly, you lose the opportunity to use it. N1 will never come again. Even if you learn the information later, you'll never get that night back, which scum got for free. Not good for town at all.

Also considering the fact that the D1 lynchee is almost always town (when was the last time anyone saw a scum hang D1?),

Not that rare. The very last game I played (Cybrid Mafia 3) we lynched scum D1. A couple games before that (Politibastard) as well, though that was a... different sort of game. I'm sure there are several others.

So sure, it doesn't happen that often, but it certainly does happen. Plus the possibility of a mislynch is built into the balance of the game. If there is going to be one, it's best for town that it happens sooner rather than later, so maximum information is provided early. It's never good, but a D1 no-lynch is worse.

Please disabuse yourself of the notion that a D1 no-lynch is good for town ever. Except in very narrow types of games where constant (not just D1) no-lynch can be used to break the setup (which is not the case here), whenever you think a D1 no-lynch is good because it's cautious, it's misapplied caution, and will hurt town much more than a possible mislynch would.

Here it is for your convenience.

[Tiruin]

Anyone willing to give me odds on FoU being a Jester?

I...still don't see why there's a significant motion towards him, or that kind of thinking.
That, and a Jester is an alignment rather than any such role or ability :O Where did that idea pop from?

I may be missing a lot however due to being busybusy.

I vote for NO LYNCH

So much brevity.

Reyn: Please give more details to your posts rather than the impulsiveness that seems to be happening

[Shakerag]

Day will end Friday October 28th, 12:30 PM Central Time.  Weekends don't count.  0 extensions left for this day.


Vote Count
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TheDarkStar (0) -
FallacyofUrist (2) - hector13, juicebox
Imic (0) -
Tiruin (0) -
Weirdo (0) -
hector13 (0) -
TheWetSheep (0) -
juicebox (0) -
fillipk (1) - TheWetSheep
ReynTheLord (0) -
UXLZ (0) -
TheBiggerFish (0) -
No Lynch (1) - ReynTheLord

Not Voting (8) - FallacyofUrist, Tiruin, Weirdo, UXLZ, TheBiggerFish, TheDarkStar, fillip, Imic

[hector13]

Anyone willing to give me odds on FoU being a Jester?

I...still don't see why there's a significant motion towards him, or that kind of thinking.
That, and a Jester is an alignment rather than any such role or ability :O Where did that idea pop from?

He knows why I want him to pressure TBF, it was a component of our discussion.

Thus, he's either playing at silly buggers, he actually is a silly bugger, he's not paying attention to the game, or he's a Jester.

I'm inclined to think it's one of the latter two, particularly when he said his scum game was based on improvisation and then he said he was winging it in this game.

He might be a mad-bomber of course... that would be interesting. I guess at this point I'm trying to figure out reasons why not to vote for him.

[ReynTheLord]

Why am I choosing no vote? Simply because we have no evidence to vote for anyone yet. Nobody has been attacked, there are no death notes, Nothing indicating if someone's a traitor or not. This is not a witch hunt, nor is it a communism hunt. We need to be civilized here and not make hasty decisions which could fuck us over in the long run. What if who you're voting for is the one who's going to save your life. Dont kill people just because Voting for execution is fun, or because they're saying wierd things. They might just be autistic or something. Until we have proof that their death is more valuable then them being alive, Don't kill them. Simple strategy.

[Tiruin]

Why am I choosing no vote? Simply because we have no evidence to vote for anyone yet. Nobody has been attacked, there are no death notes, Nothing indicating if someone's a traitor or not. This is not a witch hunt, nor is it a communism hunt. We need to be civilized here and not make hasty decisions which could fuck us over in the long run. What if who you're voting for is the one who's going to save your life. Dont kill people just because Voting for execution is fun, or because they're saying wierd things. They might just be autistic or something. Until we have proof that their death is more valuable then them being alive, Don't kill them. Simple strategy.

Here's one major mention on why NO VOTING someone in a game IN THIS theme is important--while I understand your viewpoint, a lynch at this time will provide information (eg 'Like if anyone is White Goo' or any possible abilities that are present), hence why the day game is extremely important in finding out information (and my partly bluntly not-effectively poking people who keep poking in brevity isn't that efficient -_-)

Do note: We're ALL being civilized here (also woaaa, expletives for impact there. o_o)
But I do note that you're seemingly more bound to 'what ifs' rather than 'what can be worked with now'. Do please increase your day game to account for those vaguely-placed-future-bound what ifs :O Activity helps a lot here.

...And looking over the reasoning of the voters on the target, it's less 'lolvoteded' and more 'steps of reasoning'. WHile I may not agree with them over voting FoU, I do believe that they have a sincere point (or at least one meant to seem sincere if scum, or something actually sincere because the play is scummy, by scum to others :v)

They might just be autistic or something.

Dude. No. -_- You don't do that kind of shorthand stereotyping.
I know several of the players out of Mafia and yeah, some of them have autism :v
But what's being worked with is the context of playstyle. People CAN ACTUALLY GET ACCUSED of active lurking and that is a reasonable given regardless.

[hector13]

We don't do death notes here. People have been attacked. Person you're voting for could kill you just as easily, intentionally or otherwise since it's bastard. Killing people for information, specifically role flip. FoU is a fine choice.

Also what Tiruin said.