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[ReynTheLord]

They might just be autistic or something.

Dude. No. -_- You don't do that kind of shorthand stereotyping.
I know several of the players out of Mafia and yeah, some of them have autism :v

I made a huge mistake there saying that. Probably felt too safe saying that because I, myself, am on the autism spectrum. Anyways, you made some good points, And I agree that we could get evidence out of it. However, I'm not one to risk accidentally killing someone really important.

[Tiruin]

And thus we know your stand. Thaaaanks (See that's the activity that's the life of a game regardless of anyone's alignment)
But yeah--reiterating that point, having autism or not (given that those same players I did mention are in this game right now ) is not a factor of bias; your words can be interpreted in a way and all that's needed is your ability to respond. People can call you out on active lurking because of how you post--it happens to anyone, really. (It's something I questioned to hector because I wanted to get to know more about his style, and it gave me a lot of insight)
...The big problem is that I'm already linking many people on 'leaning town' and a ton less on 'leaning scum' at this point <_< (ie around ~50% already having that read, and personally that seems to early however there is the added note of context being important, and we have discussed much in the same field as there being few details in other aspects, like claims and otherwise considering me and Uxie)

However, I'm not one to risk accidentally killing someone really important.

...And the connection to what's happening now is-?
That 'leaning-town' thing is applying to you because of certain indicators I see in your attitude there, but in the notion of understanding the fundamentals, one generally cannot actually know if someone is really important just by virtue of there being importance unless there are actual leads to work on (which means "Tiruin suspects you've got something you're hinting very lightly there because of that caution", but it also means "Tiruin wishes for you to think about that too, because context helps playstyle", although it can also mean "Tiruin seems to care a lot about these things :I")

But yeah. Everyone is important. Even SCUM are at the same level. "Important" in this context means "everyone has randomized roles".

Shakerag: Everyone has totally random roles right? Does this include the 'alignment bound' roles like the "Mafia-Only" roles in the list appearing?
Next question--can Town have Mafia-aligned roles  (with the condition being the context is modified to their alignment, so 'mafia kill' is translated to 'kill' instead)?

[Shakerag]

Shakerag: Everyone has totally random roles right? Does this include the 'alignment bound' roles like the "Mafia-Only" roles in the list appearing?
Next question--can Town have Mafia-aligned roles  (with the condition being the context is modified to their alignment, so 'mafia kill' is translated to 'kill' instead)?

Aww, I kind of liked the orange.

Everyone's powers were completely randomly determined.  Roles were determined, to some degree, based on the set of powers and some semblance of alignment balance.

It is possible for any alignment to have any *-aligned roles.  It is possible context would be modified.

[FallacyofUrist]

I vote for NO LYNCH

No.
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He knows why I want him to pressure TBF, it was a component of our discussion.

Thus, he's either playing at silly buggers, he actually is a silly bugger, he's not paying attention to the game, or he's a Jester.

I'm inclined to think it's one of the latter two, particularly when he said his scum game was based on improvisation and then he said he was winging it in this game.

... no, I really don't.

I'm not a jester, I'm paying a reasonable amount of attention to the game, and yes, I am a bit silly. Little bit. Might be influenced by the music I'm listening to (Wabby Wabbo).

Anyways, yes, my scum game is based on improvisation. So is my town game. I said as much in my previous post.

He might be a mad-bomber of course... that would be interesting.

Eh?
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Killing people for information, specifically role flip. FoU is a fine choice.

Bad idea for multiple reasons. Some of them day game based, some of them night game based.

[hector13]

You have the ability to go back through the posts to find out why I mentioned TBF specifically. I'm not your mother.

[FallacyofUrist]

... *facepalm*

[TheWetSheep]

ReynTheLord:

I don't have any votes.

This is only an excuse to not do anything if your only goal is to not get lynched, i.e. you're scum.

Reyn: What is your goal this game; how do you plan to achieve it?

My goal is to win, Have fun,and not let this get in the way of school, too much. I ask the same question in relation to you, Tiruin.

Define your idea of winning, please.

Mine is catching scum, lynching or by action (although I can't kill and while I can inspect/random-other-action-that-is-nonkill), and in general have fun while going all power-silly and having a lighthearted approach in the daygame while in the same aiming to forward my wincondition.

You have an answer to the question--what will you do with it?

Achive whatever Wincon I have. That's how you win, of course.

And that wincon is obviously not town, since if it was you would have told us. So what is it?

FoU: I guess I'm probing?

I would like to note, for future reference, that this looks like a bandwagon on me. Mainly because hector's voting me because reasons(which seems reasonable), but the other two are only going with "I agree with hector". I'd bet at least one of the three people voting me are scum.

Seriously, I think this absolute avoidance of bandwagoning (and taking bandwagoning as the highest level of scumtell) actually hurts town play. People see someone agree with someone else and automatically go "bandwagoning scum!" Sometimes you just see a case and agree with it, and that's totally okay.

FoU, Tiruin, UXLZ, TBF, TDS, fillipk: Y'all know how to play. Why aren't you voting for anyone?

[ReynTheLord]

ReynTheLord:

I don't have any votes.

This is only an excuse to not do anything if your only goal is to not get lynched, i.e. you're scum.

Reyn: What is your goal this game; how do you plan to achieve it?

My goal is to win, Have fun,and not let this get in the way of school, too much. I ask the same question in relation to you, Tiruin.

Define your idea of winning, please.

Mine is catching scum, lynching or by action (although I can't kill and while I can inspect/random-other-action-that-is-nonkill), and in general have fun while going all power-silly and having a lighthearted approach in the daygame while in the same aiming to forward my wincondition.

You have an answer to the question--what will you do with it?

Achive whatever Wincon I have. That's how you win, of course.

And that wincon is obviously not town, since if it was you would have told us. So what is it?

FoU: I guess I'm probing?

I would like to note, for future reference, that this looks like a bandwagon on me. Mainly because hector's voting me because reasons(which seems reasonable), but the other two are only going with "I agree with hector". I'd bet at least one of the three people voting me are scum.

Seriously, I think this absolute avoidance of bandwagoning (and taking bandwagoning as the highest level of scumtell) actually hurts town play. People see someone agree with someone else and automatically go "bandwagoning scum!" Sometimes you just see a case and agree with it, and that's totally okay.

FoU, Tiruin, UXLZ, TBF, TDS, fillipk: Y'all know how to play. Why aren't you voting for anyone?

If I said that wincon, someone would assume i'd be lying anyways.

[TheBiggerFish]

@TWS:Because I do not have anyone I feel is scummy enough to vote for.

[FallacyofUrist]

FoU: Y'all know how to play. Why aren't you voting for anyone?

Like I told hector, it's hard to attack and defend at the same time.

[TheBiggerFish]

And hector said they were giving you a break, FoU, so why aren't you attacking?

[FallacyofUrist]

Because...
Okay.

ReynTheLord:

It still gives us more to work with. Regardless of what you say, people are going to assume you're lying. But it'll still help. So. Alignment claim, please.

Why are you still voting No Lynch, anyway? You've seen the

Spoiler: On D1 No-lynches (click to show/hide)

I'm not an IC, but I once wrote a rant about nolynches on Day One that I think would be beneficial for this audience, so I quote it below. In brief, you can (i.e., it's a valid vote, and if it has majority no lynch will happen) but you shouldn't unless you have a very very good reason. Actual ICs will, of course, chime in with their own thoughts, and there are different considerations to be had in subsequent days; the below applies only for D1.

Even in a game like this, or a role-heavy game like a BYOR, paranormal, or bastard, without a D1 lynch people will lack context for the conversation during the day, which is the very point of the day game. The information lost is not just the flip of a person, but who voted them, with what arguments, and forms the very foundation of how the town power roles will choose their night actions. Information is key, and timely information moreso. People flipping at the start of D2 is not nearly as useful, and a nolynch will result in people using their powers on whoever they were voting (if block/investigate) or a crapshoot for protections and the like, due to lack of context and closure.

A D1 no-lynch pretty much wastes all of D1 content, and gives scum a chance to NK/convert/whatever while town has to shoot in the dark. The amount of information lost is not small, but most importantly, you lose the opportunity to use it. N1 will never come again. Even if you learn the information later, you'll never get that night back, which scum got for free. Not good for town at all.

Also considering the fact that the D1 lynchee is almost always town (when was the last time anyone saw a scum hang D1?),

Not that rare. The very last game I played (Cybrid Mafia 3) we lynched scum D1. A couple games before that (Politibastard) as well, though that was a... different sort of game. I'm sure there are several others.

So sure, it doesn't happen that often, but it certainly does happen. Plus the possibility of a mislynch is built into the balance of the game. If there is going to be one, it's best for town that it happens sooner rather than later, so maximum information is provided early. It's never good, but a D1 no-lynch is worse.

Please disabuse yourself of the notion that a D1 no-lynch is good for town ever. Except in very narrow types of games where constant (not just D1) no-lynch can be used to break the setup (which is not the case here), whenever you think a D1 no-lynch is good because it's cautious, it's misapplied caution, and will hurt town much more than a possible mislynch would.

Rant, right? Any lynch is better than no lynch on information terms.

However, I'm not one to risk accidentally killing someone really important.

Okay. So we don't kill anybody, don't lynch anybody. That sort of hesitation will get you nowhere. Except maybe, it might get you into Losetown. Because then mafia gibs everybody.
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Everybody who has not answered the Night Action Type question I asked everybody: please answer it, it'll be helpful tomorrow. And after that.

[TheBiggerFish]

Votecount, please.

[ReynTheLord]

Because...
Okay.

ReynTheLord:

It still gives us more to work with. Regardless of what you say, people are going to assume you're lying. But it'll still help. So. Alignment claim, please.

Why are you still voting No Lynch, anyway? You've seen the

Spoiler: On D1 No-lynches (click to show/hide)

I'm not an IC, but I once wrote a rant about nolynches on Day One that I think would be beneficial for this audience, so I quote it below. In brief, you can (i.e., it's a valid vote, and if it has majority no lynch will happen) but you shouldn't unless you have a very very good reason. Actual ICs will, of course, chime in with their own thoughts, and there are different considerations to be had in subsequent days; the below applies only for D1.

Even in a game like this, or a role-heavy game like a BYOR, paranormal, or bastard, without a D1 lynch people will lack context for the conversation during the day, which is the very point of the day game. The information lost is not just the flip of a person, but who voted them, with what arguments, and forms the very foundation of how the town power roles will choose their night actions. Information is key, and timely information moreso. People flipping at the start of D2 is not nearly as useful, and a nolynch will result in people using their powers on whoever they were voting (if block/investigate) or a crapshoot for protections and the like, due to lack of context and closure.

A D1 no-lynch pretty much wastes all of D1 content, and gives scum a chance to NK/convert/whatever while town has to shoot in the dark. The amount of information lost is not small, but most importantly, you lose the opportunity to use it. N1 will never come again. Even if you learn the information later, you'll never get that night back, which scum got for free. Not good for town at all.

Also considering the fact that the D1 lynchee is almost always town (when was the last time anyone saw a scum hang D1?),

Not that rare. The very last game I played (Cybrid Mafia 3) we lynched scum D1. A couple games before that (Politibastard) as well, though that was a... different sort of game. I'm sure there are several others.

So sure, it doesn't happen that often, but it certainly does happen. Plus the possibility of a mislynch is built into the balance of the game. If there is going to be one, it's best for town that it happens sooner rather than later, so maximum information is provided early. It's never good, but a D1 no-lynch is worse.

Please disabuse yourself of the notion that a D1 no-lynch is good for town ever. Except in very narrow types of games where constant (not just D1) no-lynch can be used to break the setup (which is not the case here), whenever you think a D1 no-lynch is good because it's cautious, it's misapplied caution, and will hurt town much more than a possible mislynch would.

Rant, right? Any lynch is better than no lynch on information terms.

However, I'm not one to risk accidentally killing someone really important.

Okay. So we don't kill anybody, don't lynch anybody. That sort of hesitation will get you nowhere. Except maybe, it might get you into Losetown. Because then mafia gibs everybody.
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Everybody who has not answered the Night Action Type question I asked everybody: please answer it, it'll be helpful tomorrow. And after that.

Third party. Nonhostile.

[Shakerag]

Day will end Friday October 28th, 12:30 PM Central Time.  Weekends don't count.  0 extensions left for this day.


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TheDarkStar (0) -
FallacyofUrist (2) - hector13, juicebox
Imic (0) -
Tiruin (0) -
Weirdo (0) -
hector13 (0) -
TheWetSheep (0) -
juicebox (0) -
fillipk (0) -
ReynTheLord (2) - TheWetSheep, FallacyofUrist
UXLZ (0) -
TheBiggerFish (0) -
No Lynch (1) - ReynTheLord

Not Voting (7) - Tiruin, Weirdo, UXLZ, TheBiggerFish, TheDarkStar, fillipk, Imic