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Icons, like ASCII but prettier.

Hand-drawn, like an old-timey sepia map.

Full graphics, like JRPGs with full-on sprites.

Same as the tileset ingame. Forests would use the tree sprite, mountains a rock sprite, etc.

Other. Please post your ideas/examples.

[jecowa]

I didn't notice all the skulls at first – just thought they were twigs and rocks and was trying to figure out why you thought it was overdone. It's kind of a lot of skulls and bones, but I don't think it looks overdone unless I zoom in. The low contrast and darkness helps the make the bones more subtle. I'd like to see those winking eyes.

[Kromtec]

Spoiler: Good. Feather trees and bubble bulbs (click to show/hide)

Good biome looks awesome!

Spoiler: Evil. Wormy tendrils are literally worms crawling in corpses (animated, they wiggle). Eyeballs are also animated, there are several skulls on the floor that occasionally wink at you. Glumprong trees are wood-only, look freaky, but I can't give them special leaves, since they don't have any. (click to show/hide)

Love the sprites with the little corpses and skulls.

Spoiler: Cavern is dry (no grass) or flooded. Looks like this... (click to show/hide)

Spoiler: Cavern 1 has a green, rocky floor and giant mushroom trees growing everywhere. The saplings also look like largish mushrooms. (click to show/hide)

Spoiler: Cavern 2 has floor fungi in a more olive green. The saplings look like little spore pods, and there are trees with fungi-leaves instead of giant mushrooms. (click to show/hide)

I don't like the green colors of cavern 1 and 2. Floor fungus in real life tends to be mostly white with spots where the color of the cavern floor shines through.

Maybe colors like

could fit, but I think grass-green should be reserved for the surface.

Spoiler: Cavern 3 is darker, with dark cyan tentacle/brambles floor and red/blue giant mushrooms. These are nether caps and blood thorns of course. The saplings glow a little in their colors, with a shroom for nether caps and a little desert-rose-thorn thing for the blood thorns. (click to show/hide)

Cavern 3 looks really cool, I like how the rose-thorn and blood thorn plants blend in with the floor.

Spoiler: Below the magma see... left is a slade wall, very solid in dark grey. The floor is covered in 4 different variations of skulls!!! SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE!!! (click to show/hide)

Anyway, this is hell. When, if, you manage to smooth the floor and walls, they change tiles and use their own, special, unique sprites. I wont show them here, they are only for players that get that far.

Fantastic!

[jecowa]

Is it intentional that v1.7.5 includes the vanilla /data/init/colors.txt palette?

[Meph]

Is it intentional that v1.7.5 includes the vanilla /data/init/colors.txt palette?

Yeah. The raw/colors.txt and seasonal colors exist, which are used by default. But if people say "I dont want this fancy nonsense" and turn it off, they go back to vanilla.

Kromtec: I cheated a bit and gave the first cavern no grass. DF doesn't like that and fills it with a default "grass", which colors the floor tiles green, without changing their style. That means the green is hardcoded. Then I added a green fungus for cavern 2, because the cavern grass starts growing everywhere together, as soon as you breach more than 1 cavern. They have to fit together. I took green, dark green and cyan, because they don't look too horrible when all three are mixed in the same room. Maybe not realistic colors for floor fungi, but than again there are made-up nether-cap mushrooms that a blue and goblin-cap mushrooms that are red... so I think I'm good. ^^

Japa: There are only two. Depths of grass and depths of tree. The grass doesn't affect anything, because all three layers end up with grass and it makes no game-play difference at all. The trees, as I said, a tiny bit. I left in the original depths as comments in the raws, depending on feedback I can easily undo the change.

[Novaris]

Really great work! It's just amazing what you carved out of dwarf fortress and TWBT here!

A quick question: I downloaded your 1.75 version and tried to add two custom races I used before. An orc and a succubi race. Everything works fine so far but the corpses are odd. The corpse of the orcs looks like one of your consturction sprites and the corpse of the succubi looks like a dead small spider. I digged through your overrides.txt to find the corpse section but now I'm a little puzzled what lines I have to add to override the orc and succubi corpse. Can you enlighten me how to find the proper override lines I need to identify the corpse IDs?


Also, I noticed that the corpsepiece refers to _MDF_overrides_1 which then shows up as a miniforge or so...I changed it to _MDF_overrides_2:205 to look like older versions of your tileset.

[Meph]

Based on the feedback I got, two changes.



Evil region looks more different from the HFS. Now looks more like a swamp/tendril with eyes.



Cavern 2 floor grey instead of green. That sets it more apart from cavern 1 (green) and cavern 3 (cyan), and still fits when mixed, since grey is neutral. Also, the original DF floor fungus is grey.

Edit: Also, new giant mushrooms.



@Novaris: Corpses use tile numbers. Go to the creatures, find the CREATURE_TILE number and make it 11. It only works with non-civ members though. Overrides dont work for civ-members, so if you play the orcs/succubi, best to make them 253. Thanks for the heads up on the typo, I fixed the corpsepiece override.

[Novaris]

I tried this but this just turned the corpses into cages. I don't play them I just test it in the testing arena. The plan is to slaughter them by the hundrets in many dwarfy ways

EDIT: But thanks for the suggestion I guess I have to dig more into it or adjust the CREATURE_TILE to something the resembles what I want the closest.

[Rose]

New evil biome stuff looks great.

But the tendrils need to wiggle!

[Meph]

I tried this but this just turned the corpses into cages. I don't play them I just test it in the testing arena. The plan is to slaughter them by the hundrets in many dwarfy ways

EDIT: But thanks for the suggestion I guess I have to dig more into it or adjust the CREATURE_TILE to something the resembles what I want the closest.

Strange. 11 is in the overrides, [OVERRIDE:11:I:CORPSE:CORPSE::_MDF_overrides_2:174:15] #humanoid, I use it myself a lot.

EDIT: Tested again. Interestingly enough, corpse overrides do not work for INTELLIGENT and/or CAN_LEARN creatures. I thought it was civ-members, but in fact it does not work for any corpses of sentient beings. Thanks, you just helped me find a bug that concerned 205 creature corpses. ^^

New evil biome stuff looks great.

But the tendrils need to wiggle!

Like this?

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

It sadly takes up soooo many tiles. I try to avoid overrides for grass (since transparent items on top would delete the override), but the evil grass alone takes 9 tiles. ^^

[Vordak]

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Looking at this, it becomes a pity that the game does not have a portable flamethrower)) Сhic art.

[Novaris]

Glad i could be of service

[Kromtec]

I'm almost 3 years into my fortress with 1.75 and wanted to say thanks for this awesome set and thanks to Vordak for all the dwarfy Dwarves.
The recent changes to cavern 2 and evil region look gorgeous!

[Meph]

I'm almost 3 years into my fortress with 1.75 and wanted to say thanks for this awesome set and thanks to Vordak for all the dwarfy Dwarves.
The recent changes to cavern 2 and evil region look gorgeous!

Uh, could you please upload a save? I'm super curious how it looks. Any issues?

[jecowa]

I like the new giant cavern mushroom cap texture. Those lighter-colored spots make them look more like mushroom. The new texture with brighter blue makes the nether cap look less like water.

Those blinking tendril eyes are nice and creepy.

Testing out what the cave grasses might look like together:

Spoiler: white moss (click to show/hide)

Spoiler: little more yellow moss (click to show/hide)

Spoiler: even more a little more yellow moss (click to show/hide)

Having the white moss a little yellow helps it stick out a bit more from the walls. A little yellow tint might not look too cancerous.

[Iliithid]

Your pack looks gorgeous down in the earth where everything can be smoothed and lovely, but I seem to have a bone to pick with most large-res packs like this in regards to surface stuff, where grass/trees/etc collide with the solid backgrounds of units or other tiles in a really unsettling way. Is there a way past this, design wise, in your experience? Your unit sprites are gorgeous, I just wish the surface tiles meshed more happily.