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[martinuzz]

In France, a van running over people is called a terrorist attack.

In the Philippines, it's called the police.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-10-19/philippine-police-van-drives-at-protesters-us-demonstration/7948016

That video. The police van doesn't just run over people once, no it goes back and forth, full accelleration.

Meanwhile, Manila police denies having run over people.

(note though, that the run over people were not demonstrating against Duterte, but rather in favour of his demand for US troops to leave the Phillippines)

[Reelya]

Yeeeah, such crude tactics would never happen in the USA. Philippines are years behind with police methods.

The Americans at least have the decency to plan undercover agents into protests, who then cause trouble, thus legitimizing the police to directly beat up the crowd. As is normal in a civilized nation. The rules must be seen to be upheld, that is the main thing. Just driving over people undermines faith in the law, when you can get the media to pretend the protesters were violent and just beat them up instead.

[BorkBorkGoesTheCode]

Was the Kent State shooting actually incited by an agent provocateur?

[Reelya]

No I was talking about Bush-era stuff, and Occupy-era stuff. As well as stuff going back decades. You can find reams of agent provocateur stuff if you know where to look, well-documented stuff too.

My GF saw a doco on TV showing how there were FBI-planted agents in an anti-Iraq demonstration, who caused violence, thus both discrediting the movement and justifying a violent response from the police.

CoIntelPro was a thing in the USA. It was supposed to be shut down after the Church Committee hearings, but ex-CoIntelPro guys are linked to many cases where they tried to set-up "left" groups to look bad. Sometimes involving outright stage terrorist attacks. Basically CoIntelPro was active the post-WWII, cold war/McCarthy era up until the mid 70s. It involved agents infiltrating leftist groups then encouraging them to commit LCS-level crimes, often to the point that much of the group leadership was actually CoIntelPro, and not actual activists. I read once that they basically took over campus "socialist/communist/anarchist/etc" clubs and pushed them more extreme to scare people off. Some people noted you could tell the plants because they adhered to Lenin/Marx doctrine a little too much to the letter, and not much to the spirit - which makes sense if someone who has no clue what leftists stand for and believe they're all "evil commies" is pretending to be one. They pushed out the moderate leaders, by accusing them of not being fully committed to the revolution, which is a really good tactic to take over those groups. Accuse the actual leaders of being part of "the system" for being too moderate.

Judi Bari was an Earth First protest organizer in 1990, organizing protests against redwood logging in California. The head of the local FBI office was an ex-COINTELPRO guy from the 1960s apparently linked to violence against Indian Rights Movement and Black Panthers. Judi Bari was basically blown up by a carbomb under her driver's seat (somehow surviving and successfully suing the government for millions), and a crack FBI team was there in minutes, declaring Earth First as bio-terrorists. It turns out the entire team was assembled a little over a month before-hand where they practiced at "bomb school" in setting up and responding to three car bombings which highly resembled the incident a month later. A similar make of car, the exact same type of bomb. "Bomb School" was run on land belonging to the logging company, who had also been distributing violent-sounding Earth First literature which later turned out to be forged - very obviously forged, since they misspelled and mis-signed the name of the leader of Earth First.

[majikero]

We have a Philippines thread. Damn I just noticed this. Been gone for too long.

Anyways to give some context, Philippines is a very pro-American nation. So anti-American protest is very odd. This protest is from the Communist political activists. Not to be confused with the underground Communist revolutionaries, its army and its united political front.

[majikero]

IT'S HAPPENING! HE'S OFFICIALLY CUTTING TIES TO THE US!

DOOOOOOM!

TIRUIN where art thou? What is happening?!

[MetalSlimeHunt]

What, you mean he's throwing out the embassy? Anything less than that isn't serious, anything more than that is war.

[majikero]

Honestly not sure what this means in practical terms but he's fully committing to cutting both military and economic ties.

[Reelya]

Step one would be to stop accepting the $200 million in aid the US provides. And that was before USA boosted military aid to Philippines in 2015 by about $50 million a year. The real beneficiaries of this move are not the Filipino people, but China, who won't have to worry about US-backed military to their south.

Duterte increased his personal budget from $US60 million to $US430 million as well. What do you want to bet that he's also getting kickbacks from China to stop working with the Americans. I'm fairly convinced years later Duterte will be investigated for siphoning off billions in tax money. It ain't rocket science that when the president grants himself an extra $370 million a year in personal expenses, something is seriously up with that.

[Tiruin]

Woo, this thread has finally been renamed into something better
...Although the gist of the conversation only follows the President >_>

IT'S HAPPENING! HE'S OFFICIALLY CUTTING TIES TO THE US!

DOOOOOOM!

TIRUIN where art thou? What is happening?!

Busy weathering a Signal 3+(ish) storm :V

Basically--yeah, we got the news firsthand. However Duterte isn't really cutting ties (despite some reasonable and some not-really-that-reasonable-at-all statements about the USA relationship + China). Or at least that's what the majority of us here believe after noting the consistencies in his behavior is like :O (Although we seriously didn't like it when he said 'those filipinos in the USA are Americans) and all; mostly brushed it off as the usual politicking thing that I forgot the name of)

We have a Philippines thread. Damn I just noticed this. Been gone for too long.

Anyways to give some context, Philippines is a very pro-American nation. So anti-American protest is very odd. This protest is from the Communist political activists. Not to be confused with the underground Communist revolutionaries, its army and its united political front.

Before, this thread was named something much worse and more pointy than its title now.
And err...yeah. Full agreement to that statement there o_O If not "Pro", then at least "Neutral", since we do know y'all are open to talking about things (although the moment up there about 'reasonable' are when there were highlights on some stuff that did cause enmity to form between us...in the far past that were given reparations. Although I think Duterte was mentioning more to the companies using foreign labor and secondary to tertiary otherwise effects of current edicts and such? I'm totally unsure about that part because it's very off in a way regarding information)

Yeeeah, such crude tactics would never happen in the USA. Philippines are years behind with police methods.

Include the support, funding, additional facilities, and otherwise. (We do not have very-good-at-all utilities to even demonstrate a crime scene; I do recall one event, though also represented multiple times before, when there were toy cars used to demonstrate incidents occurring. Though I'm not fully updated there--yeah, we're behind a lot -_-)

Honestly not sure what this means in practical terms but he's fully committing to cutting both military and economic ties.

It was more foreign reliance, as far as I recall, rather than continued ties. :O (In which he wishes to repair ties with the Chinese, etc)

Edit: Waaaaait I got caught up! (Thanks Facebook and a ton of university friends? o_O)
...Ok, clarity. The first bit above there is more me remembering an interview(?) done days before now. What I'm now getting updated with is Duterte having that stance between China and the USA (plus supporters being loud on the webs). And in other news, we're pretty much :I at what's happening, in which those web commentaries all over my feed have several (few) people comparing over the little things than the actual picture. >_<

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Although we seriously didn't like it when he said 'those filipinos in the USA are Americans

?

[Tiruin]

Although we seriously didn't like it when he said 'those filipinos in the USA are Americans

?

That was a quote outside of something I viewed around 3 or so days ago when Duterte was talking about the Filipino people in other countries. :O There is more context to that (I lack the time to search for the video however :x) but that line stuck to me because of how :V it was mentioned. There was comparison before that to Filipinos in China, etc. A lot of shorthands being said.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

No, I mean, why is it upsetting? It is in reference to Filipino immigrants to the USA, right?

[Tiruin]

No, I mean, why is it upsetting? It is in reference to Filipino immigrants to the USA, right?

It's upsetting because of the wording ;~; Although I seriously need to find the video (it was mostly all in Tagalog though) for that mention.

Oh, oops. Forgot context:
It was like there was a contrast in how he mentioned Filipinos in certain countries :O (there was also some mention before that but I forgot)--there was seemingly a divide in how he detailed Filipinos in America vs Filipinos in China, and the communities therein. The context there was speaking about culture as a main point, and how saturated our culture here is with American culture (and our possible lack of uniqueness? The video in question focused more on personal thoughts and such as well as first-hand experiences, so I may be referencing something incomplete due to memory [and then a storm happened]). There was also swearing-as-emotional-commentary as that's one mark of Duterte's narrative when he drew those kinds of differences and connected them to his points (swearing rather than literally meant).

[MetalSlimeHunt]

...I don't get it.