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[Aseaheru]

 The Weserflug may be a useful base for another transport, but the Fa 223 was rather oversized for what it could do. Autogyros are kind of a dead-end technology.

[Kot]

Let's oversize the Fa 223 even more. Let's combine the Fa 223 and Weserflug.

[Aseaheru]

 They sort of already are.

[RAM]

I believe that we have already locked in the design, so any discussion on revisions? (I recommend not formally posting any proposals as referencing a revision that predates the revision-stage post would be messy and crass.)

What about an upgraded A.P.C.? We could try to improve the suspension for off-roading and replace the engine with something more powerful, perhaps the engine from the UF-1931-HAFB? If we can get it up to 150ish off-road then it could be a pretty serious response vehicle for engagements in open terrain. I expect any of OUR citizens who go to the extra effort of living in inhospitable mountains or wild forests are going to greet alien life with a barbecue fork...

[Zanzetkuken The Great]

Classes are over.  Have an update.

The United Forenian Light Artillery Observation Aircraft model of 1941 is a two-seat intermeshing rotor helicopter of the complex synchropter layout powered by a pair of 125hp engines and constructed mainly of aluminum tubing.  If taking off from rocky or debris-ridden ground, debris kicked up can often strike the rotors in such a way that allows them to tangle and the craft to crash. The layout of the craft puts the pilot in the front (in an open cockpit), the engine and a radio set in the middle, and the observer in the rear, just prior to the tail. It was planned for there to mount a UF-1924 machinegun, but the additional weight caused the craft to be too unstable, becoming especially bad when the weapon was fired.  Pilots and Observers are instead issued a UF-SP30 with one reload each, in the case they survive the landing. The craft may be loaded for cargo, but only up to the weight of a single adult Forenian, and even then only if the observer is not in the craft.  The craft has a top speed of 80 kph with only a pilot, and 60 kph if there is also an observor or it holds a load.

Costs 3 Ore
New Technology: Synchropter [Complex]
Current Cost: Expensive

-Begin Revision Phase-

[Kot]

I swear those fucking Moskurgs are sabotaging our work and don't understand that we're facing something bigger than petty rivalries... back in Arstotzka we would never make something so useless.

[andrea]

from the evil laugh, I expected worse.

so, we can chose between upgrading our nice but ultimately underpowered starter copter, or trying to get a ground vehicle up to speed.

our current APC manages 70 km/h on a good road, so the work to be done would be non trivial to reach the stated goal of 150 off road.

The motorcycle already goes 80 km/h offroad and 110 on a road, so it could be a better candidate for this kind of action.  The difference in protection for the rider could easily be offset by the reduced target size and better mobility. I am not sure we can keep the sidecar on those speeds, but even if we have to drop it those bikes are quite inexpensive. They could stay inexpensive even if we upgrade the engine to be more powerful. ( it still lacks turbocharger, fuel injection and we can probably add to the size).

[Kot]

our current APC manages 70 km/h on a good road, so the work to be done would be non trivial to reach the stated goal of 150 off road.

What.
The.
Fuck?

150km/h off-road? IS THERE EVEN A THING IN EXISTENCE THAT DOES THAT SPEED NOWADAYS? Not to mention that the idea of going that fast off-road is suicidal anyways.
We could try to go for fast motorcycle cavalry that attacks the UFOs that are on ground. Optimally it would be a squadron of airlifted (get dat mountain UFOs) motorcycle cavalrymen equipped with explosives to fuck up the UFOs day. Huge feathery wings optional.
Yeah that's stupid too.

[andrea]

Well, yes. 150 km/h offroad is crazy. But that is what RAM proposed.

Our motorcycle has a good chance of getting above 100 km/h offroad, since it already does 80 and it is an old design . 150 km/h offroad may be doable from a mechanical point of view, but I am not entirely sure the biological component is able to handle those speeds ( not just all the shaking, but also reaction times. roads are flat and featureless, making it easy to navigate at speed. open fields, not so much). anyone has any info on offroad motorbike races?

Of the 2, I am more confident on helicopter improvements. But I don't think we are getting it to be faster than the motorbike and make it carry more load.

[VoidSlayer]

What about upgrading our Bumblebee AT/AA 92mm anti air gun to fire with a primer ignition to increase it's rate of fire, change the ammo to be armor piercing and improve it's tracking ability.  Right now they fire at 15 per minute, if we could get that up to 1/second we could fill the air with high velocity rounds.

Making it even complex would keep it common so we could station as many of them around important government faculties , cities and infrastructure as needed to prevent alien raids.  It is defensive, but could shoot down an enemy if they attacked directly.

It also gives us experience in creating a large caliber autocannon which we could eventually equip to a heavier attack aircraft.

[KiwiOui]

What about upgrading our Bumblebee AT/AA 92mm anti air gun to fire with a primer ignition to increase it's rate of fire, change the ammo to be armor piercing and improve it's tracking ability.  Right now they fire at 15 per minute, if we could get that up to 1/second we could fill the air with high velocity rounds.

I like this idea, but I'm not entirely sure about going for "Field of Lead" tactics with AP rounds. The idea, however, is wholly Forenian.

[Kashyyk]

UF-LAOA-41a "Assault"
Remove the observer position and two set, and shift the engine and pilot back. In front of the pilot, install a UF-AC18 autocannon on a semi fixed front facing. The gun can be shifted about 10 degrees in any given direction to ease aiming. A small gun shield is also installed to give the pilot some cover.

[Aseaheru]

 We still have cargo attachment points, we can rig those for an autocannon. As it is the engines should be right underneath the props, shifting them back increases weight of the driveshaft.

 Instead, lets work on reducing complexity of the props and increasing their power, and provide fold-down seating for a few ride-alongs.

[RAM]

Spoiler: UF-MV21-AL II "Rabid Moose" (click to show/hide)

UF-MV21-AL:
Formerly known as the AS-MV21-AL. This is an armoured car, designed to be maneuverable in tight quarters and offroad. The frame, armor and engine block are all built from aluminium for reduced weight. It sits on four big tires, the rear ones shrouded by armor, on hydropneumatic suspension. It is powered by a V-6 motor, which gets it up to 70 KPH on a good road. Its shape is tight and rectangular around the crew cabin, which holds only a driver and gunner, to minimize the quantity of armor needed. The engine is in the rear, and includes the lightest (thin) armor in the slats over the radiator. The front armor is medium and most of the armor is light. A belt-fed UF-AC18 gun fires from the top of car, with the gunner's hatch open. The gunner hatch acts as armor to each side when open, but the gunner is still somewhat exposed compared to a tank turret.

Enlarge and reinforce the tyres and wheels and lower the chassis relative to the wheels(but maintain it relative to the ground) and review the suspension, especially with regard to withstanding higher speeds.. This will add stability. It will be bad for uneven terrain where the chassis could land on a rock or something but over flat country such as farmland it should be able to blaze along without a care and roads should be largely irrelevant. The objective is "off-road" not "all-terrain". We are being opportunistic here, we can't hope to get something that can deal with all enemy action, so lets just take the ones in open country. We can carve dirt-tracks through the heavier country if need be...
It has a tiny V-6 motor, replace it with one of the fuel drunkards from the air-force(I am thinking of the one from the bomber, that sounds like a monster, but the interceptor's engine sounds like fun too, can we turbo-charge that?). The engine is rear-mounted with the cargo space, so if we just cut a hole for it then it should be possible to jam the thing in there. We may need a roof-mounted radiator or something but that is just pipes, so shouldn't be too much hassle.
Throw on some mounting points for tiger infantry to be mounted on the rear and held in place with quick-release harnesses...

Obviously some holes will need to be cut to make space for a larger engine and transmission, but all these tweaks should be pretty simple and get a massive increase in speed. Putting it all in a revision is a little ambitious, so if there are obvious holes in the surface panelling and armour so the thing may be hideous to look at and rpone to getting penetrated by stray shots, but the main idea is to get heavy ordnance to the field quickly, and this plan involves putting known technology into an established design that has the potential for a massive upgrade if we can just get an oversized engine to play nice. With this revision we will be Madmaxing our way over E.T.'s face in no time!

[stabbymcstabstab]

Spoiler: UF-MV21-AL II "Rabid Moose" (click to show/hide)

UF-MV21-AL:
Formerly known as the AS-MV21-AL. This is an armoured car, designed to be maneuverable in tight quarters and offroad. The frame, armor and engine block are all built from aluminium for reduced weight. It sits on four big tires, the rear ones shrouded by armor, on hydropneumatic suspension. It is powered by a V-6 motor, which gets it up to 70 KPH on a good road. Its shape is tight and rectangular around the crew cabin, which holds only a driver and gunner, to minimize the quantity of armor needed. The engine is in the rear, and includes the lightest (thin) armor in the slats over the radiator. The front armor is medium and most of the armor is light. A belt-fed UF-AC18 gun fires from the top of car, with the gunner's hatch open. The gunner hatch acts as armor to each side when open, but the gunner is still somewhat exposed compared to a tank turret.

Enlarge and reinforce the tyres and wheels and lower the chassis relative to the wheels(but maintain it relative to the ground) and review the suspension, especially with regard to withstanding higher speeds.. This will add stability. It will be bad for uneven terrain where the chassis could land on a rock or something but over flat country such as farmland it should be able to blaze along without a care and roads should be largely irrelevant. The objective is "off-road" not "all-terrain". We are being opportunistic here, we can't hope to get something that can deal with all enemy action, so lets just take the ones in open country. We can carve dirt-tracks through the heavier country if need be...
It has a tiny V-6 motor, replace it with one of the fuel drunkards from the air-force(I am thinking of the one from the bomber, that sounds like a monster, but the interceptor's engine sounds like fun too, can we turbo-charge that?). The engine is rear-mounted with the cargo space, so if we just cut a hole for it then it should be possible to jam the thing in there. We may need a roof-mounted radiator or something but that is just pipes, so shouldn't be too much hassle.
Throw on some mounting points for tiger infantry to be mounted on the rear and held in place with quick-release harnesses...

Obviously some holes will need to be cut to make space for a larger engine and transmission, but all these tweaks should be pretty simple and get a massive increase in speed. Putting it all in a revision is a little ambitious, so if there are obvious holes in the surface panelling and armour so the thing may be hideous to look at and rpone to getting penetrated by stray shots, but the main idea is to get heavy ordnance to the field quickly, and this plan involves putting known technology into an established design that has the potential for a massive upgrade if we can just get an oversized engine to play nice. With this revision we will be Madmaxing our way over E.T.'s face in no time!

Yeah, Ill support this.