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[Neonivek]

the order of importance in creation is pretty much Allah > Man > Woman

Wait... Where the heck is that in the Koran?

Also aren't there like... a Host of Angels too?

I mean I know religious texts put a lot of importance on how women should be loyal and dutiful and a man has a right to enforce that loyalty and duty... But... The Sheppard is not more important than the sheep in this case... and there is a reason WHY there is an insistence towards women being loyal and dutiful, which comes with the equally important requirement that a man be wise.

Within the logic of the situation if one were to assume it is correct. If a woman is disloyal because the man isn't worth loyalty... He is at fault.

Or rather... GOODNESS is the whole situation between men and women often brought up to just shove responsibility off of men and onto women. As if the only tool in their toolbox is subjugation.

this choice then gets instantiated by others and accidentally/willfully taken as more literal than the original mere literary convenience

It is probably best to remember the order of events. Allah existed before man and woman.

[spümpkin]

But really, as much as I doubt it would work for another person (because our minds are highly, highly individual), you can try the following:

Spoiler: contains Dark Part procedure, may cause descent into madness and loss of your immortal soul (click to show/hide)

1) imagine your inner world that's full of various good and pretty stuff that you secretly feel like you value the most and that you keep separated from yourself,
2) you also should imagine yourself in a comfortable "flight" position, with your arms out to the sides and everything, as if you were suspended in zero-gravity, then
3) imagine that there is some kind of mental barrier between you and your inner world that differentiates them apart - here you should tense your mind slightly, but not too hard, to simulate the pressure that your inner world puts on you,
4) and then just sort of, uh, imagine it stop stopping the inner world from invading and penetr permeating yourself, let yourself be submitted to the little wishes of your inner mind-world and let it control what's left of your sense of "you", let it go™ - here you should be still maintaining some of the mental tension from before to not let it just all dissipate, quite tricky to do.

if it works, you'll know it, the sensation of your sense of "self" being changed and/or partially replaced with someone else is nearly impossible to mistake for anything else.

then you just have to kind of work it out with your inner alter-ego so that they don't try to suddenly occupy your body at an inappropriate time, or overwhelm you with inexplicable happy/sad feelings, or other similar weird stuff, it depends on how good you are at agreeing with yourself though, so I can't say anything concrete about that, except for one thing - don't forget that your alter-ego is still you, and keep reminding them about it until they unconditionally agree

and then you'll just have to mentally ask that alter-ego (via direct thought transfer or through significantly slower mental verbalization, it's your choice) to do various, ahem, stuff in your mind that you feel like you want to happen, and voila - awake lucid dreaming! Warning: may cause critical loss of productivity (due to unparalleled sensation of stuff-related happiness).

tried this, just ended up feeling weird in my stomach and got a boner, but also felt extreme dysphoria, dunno if that was intentional :v

Hm.

Okay I don't exactly know what this "dysphoria" thing is, but if it's that thing where you feel mad uncomfortable about yourself, then yes, this thing can cause that. Keep trying more, though, it should eventually get better.

Oh, and also before I forget, you probably also need to do the reversal afterwards. So, like, points 4 and 3, but you instead push your clingy inner world outside of your control room and mentally seal the path with a barrier so that you start feeling like yourself again.

It might also help if you try to anthropomorphize your inner world, somewhat. It was fairly natural to me, but I don't know if that's a thing that is natural for anyone else.

Gender dysphoria, being trans n all makes it occur on a fairly regular basis. so yeah, uncomfortable wit myself, largely because i dont match my inner, female self :v. honestly, it didnt feel like i wasnt in control, it felt like the parts of me that are normally hidden just kinda... absorbing into me. idk. ALso now theres just an image of a guy whos just a bunch of trees n shit.

[Sergarr]

Gender dysphoria, being trans n all makes it occur on a fairly regular basis. so yeah, uncomfortable wit myself, largely because i dont match my inner, female self :v. honestly, it didnt feel like i wasnt in control, it felt like the parts of me that are normally hidden just kinda... absorbing into me. idk. ALso now theres just an image of a guy whos just a bunch of trees n shit.

Oh so it's definitely that thing. That thing is definitely a thing that I experienced when I let in a little bit too of my inner world and accidentally absorbed too much of my inner suppressed femininity or something, IDK what that was, exactly. It was really quite uniquely uncomfortable for the relatively short period of time when I experienced it (until I managed to suppress that pesky femininity back into my imagination). It's when I realized exactly why people would go to such lengths to change their physical sex in order to match their inner gender

And you definitely are close to being on a right track. It's slightly different from what I felt, but, as I've said before, our minds are highly, highly unique, it's kind of a miracle that it even does anything similar, really. I'm very, very delighted.

[chaoticag]

I have a real problem with this, mainly that Allah is DEFINITELY male. There's no other way around it, especially considering in the Qu'ran he refers to himself as male.

This person has a huge lack of understanding of both gender AND Islam. What a mess.

Uhhhh, I don't think you read the Qur'an. Or spoke to Shyoukh.

God is specifically defined as one of a kind in the Qur'an, while, unlike Christianity (and possibly Judaism) man is not made in the image of God but in the best possible form instead, so it's not like we can point to Adam and say God looked like that.

The other thing is I've had about three sheikhs come over to help me learn and memorize parts of the Quran, and it's been pretty consistent between the three of them that God has no gender. While the Qu'ran does use huwa as a pronoun to refer to him, and while that is generally accepted to be the more masculine pronoun, it's not incorrect to use it one someone more feminine, and in a sense, many people already use the plural form of it when referring to an exclusively female group around here.

Ah, speaking of Islam, looks like a law got passed recently around here to allow legally and medically transitioning. Don't think I'll meet the requirements for it though but it's something.

[Dozebôm Lolumzalìs]

So since there are trans people here, I'll ask a question that has perplexed me for ages.

What is dysphoria? For instance, what does it feel like?

[chaoticag]

It's a bit hard to explain. It's kinda mental discomfort? A feeling of something out of place? I wouldn't really know how to describe it just that things hit a breaking point for me and I had an emotional breakdown over it a few months back, in July-ish. Then I just realized it was always there. Pretty sure there's no cookie cutter experience of dysphoria.

[Sergarr]

So since there are trans people here, I'll ask a question that has perplexed me for ages.

What is dysphoria? For instance, what does it feel like?

Well I think it's not a kind of feeling you can adequately express in words; there are no good analogies for it existent in languages that I know of. It's like, a really really shitty feeling of things not being right that you desperately want to not feel yet can't help yourself but continue to feel it anyways, and that element of unwantedness multiplies its shittiness exponentially.

I don't want to remember how it felt more precisely than this, to be honest; I'm already pretty sure that I'm having a mild headache due to that.

[Catmeat]

So was Adams rib M2F?

[Edmus]

From that description it somewhat resembles anxiety.

[Calidovi]

So was Adams rib M2F?

ribs dont have genders

[Loud Whispers]

Testosterone triggers expansion of the ribs during puberty

In this case, the rib to woman could be explained as some sick process in which the process of cell differentiation is reversed in bone marrow cells to get stem cells and thus create an abominable human pair with which to conquer the world with their insufferable ilk
Thus the rib would be M->N/A->F, and humans should not be rendered extinct by elder star parasites

[Neonivek]

But Adam never went through Puberty.

[Sergarr]

From that description it somewhat resembles anxiety.

Well to be fair, the reactions are fairly individual, but anxiety is a part of the usual ones:

Symptoms of GID in children may include any of the following: disgust at their own genitalia, social isolation from their peers, anxiety, loneliness and depression.

[Neonivek]

You know what is odd...

I immediately checked the internet for Classical Pictures of Eve

To see if she had large breasts and/or was fat.

Yet she tends to be modest.

I think I am getting my symbolism mixed up given the Greeks had a tendency to depict "hypersexuality" as a negative (Barbarians would get huge schlongs).

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For those who don't know why I looked for that...

I was wondering if Eve's "Mother of all" status would give her some typical symbolic features.

[Reelya]

So was Adams rib M2F?

ribs dont have genders

Ribs contain DNA, and you can argue that DNA is biologically gendered.

Neo: the paintings probably depend on the era in which they were created. Most ones you're looking at are probably from the 15th-18th centuries.