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[TheBiggerFish]

So there's a petition with 2 million signatures calling for the Electoral College to vote for Clinton.

Also this: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.inverse.com/amp/article/23594-petitions-faithless-electors-legal-fees?client=ms-android-verizon

*2,898,909 as of when I signed it.

Also, it's here: https://www.change.org/p/electoral-college-electors-electoral-college-make-hillary-clinton-president-on-december-19

[redwallzyl]

And man, it looks like the Republican government is going to absolutely wreck their re-election chances by trying to cram all their crazies in. That's quite a potential for a 50 state Democrat sweep in 2020. Possibly even in 2018, for mid-term elections to Congress, depending on how fast the poor/minority people realize that they've been fucked over by a golden calf.

This seems overly.... optimistic. And maybe just a bit insulting, somewhat. It seems like it take a ridiculously serious economic meltdown to cause such a thing. Especially since like, Republicans seem to do better mid term then democrats.

Long term implications aside I doubt Trump can cause that level of disaster in 2 years.

never say it cant happen. the cubs won the world series and trump became president. never. say. it. cant. happen.

[Baffler]

So there's a petition with 2 million signatures calling for the Electoral College to vote for Clinton.

Also this: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.inverse.com/amp/article/23594-petitions-faithless-electors-legal-fees?client=ms-android-verizon

There was an equally childish petition after Brexit by butthurt Remainers to ignore the result of the vote.

[Frumple]

This seems overly.... optimistic. And maybe just a bit insulting, somewhat. It seems like it take a ridiculously serious economic meltdown to cause such a thing. Especially since like, Republicans seem to do better mid term then democrats.

Long term implications aside I doubt Trump can cause that level of disaster in 2 years.

Trump alone, maybe not, but we've got other actors involved here. Do remember the GOP's standard modus operandi for the last multiple decades has consisted significantly of "Make the government work worse" -- and they don't just operate on the federal level towards that goal. One of the more morbidly fun things about these next 2-4 years is seeing how much they can break the habit, or if they even try.

Still doubt it'd happen to that extreme, but... unless the GOP's been hiding some cards in their political portfolio for a while there's probably going to be a lot of pooch screwing over the next few years.

[TheBiggerFish]

So there's a petition with 2 million signatures calling for the Electoral College to vote for Clinton.

Also this: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.inverse.com/amp/article/23594-petitions-faithless-electors-legal-fees?client=ms-android-verizon

There was an equally childish petition after Brexit by butthurt Remainers to ignore the result of the vote.

This ISN'T childish, though, because Clinton actually won the popular vote.

[Neonivek]

MasterFancyPants There IS no graph on page 27

Go to the top of your screen and make sure the it says:

316959.pdf                                                     27/71                                           


Edit: Oh, I see. The REPORT only has 64 pages. The pdf has 71. Got me there.

Don't worry I am reading it closely and so far it seems ONLY the Gao suggests it (and for reasons).

Though I do note that the Gao is only correct so far as you apply its generality (it got its statistics by taking a small percent of Arizona prisoners and multiplying them until they equal the entire USA).

As well it only includes what crimes they commited that got them sent into prisons... and since Immigrants have low incarceration rates.

[Elephant Parade]

So there's a petition with 2 million signatures calling for the Electoral College to vote for Clinton.

Also this: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.inverse.com/amp/article/23594-petitions-faithless-electors-legal-fees?client=ms-android-verizon

There was an equally childish petition after Brexit by butthurt Remainers to ignore the result of the vote.

This ISN'T childish, though, because Clinton actually won the popular vote.

So? The system doesn't run on the popular vote. We can try to change that, but not retroactively—that'd be ignoring the results simply because we don't like them, which is pretty much the opposite of democracy.

Trump is going to be the next president. Unless he's impeached or arrested or whatever, you can't change that. Instead of trying to pull undemocratic shenanigans that have literally no chance of success, ask your local Democratic Party what you can actually do to help.

Assuming the parties accept volunteers. I mean, I'd assume that they do, but I could be wrong.

[Draignean]

So there's a petition with 2 million signatures calling for the Electoral College to vote for Clinton.

Also this: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.inverse.com/amp/article/23594-petitions-faithless-electors-legal-fees?client=ms-android-verizon

There was an equally childish petition after Brexit by butthurt Remainers to ignore the result of the vote.

This ISN'T childish, though, because Clinton actually won the popular vote.

Well, in a certain sense, it truly is.

I voted Clinton, I don't want Trump in the White House, his Cabinet picks terrify me, and I think we're in for an interesting four years.

That being said, it is done. The peaceful transition of power is founded on the principle that we accept the outcome of the machine to which we pledge allegiance. We are not a pure democracy, thank God, and the popular vote does not, and should not, determine victory. Trying to call backsies now is wrong. It is fundamentally against the system itself, it would make us the destruction aberration that so many believe Trump to be.

Regardless of who the victor is, we accept the outcome. That is the spirit of the Republic.

[Reelya]

Neonivek: The arrests cover 55 years, however. Not 4 years. it's an analysis of everyone in prison. See page 24 / PDF page 18.

They do cite that 90% of the arrests were 1990 or later. So you could knock that down to 20 years at best, but remember homicide generally receives longer sentences, so of the remaining 10% who have been in prison for over 20 years at the time of the report, a higher percentage of them were probably homicides than those in their for shorter terms.

[MasterFancyPants]

So there's a petition with 2 million signatures calling for the Electoral College to vote for Clinton.

Also this: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.inverse.com/amp/article/23594-petitions-faithless-electors-legal-fees?client=ms-android-verizon

Are you advocated bribing electors to vote for Clinton?


As shown in figure 8, 54 percent of the criminal aliens in our study
population had from one to five arrests in their arrest history record.
About 9 percent of the criminal aliens in our study population (about
23,000) had one arrest. About 60 percent of the criminal aliens in our study
population had from 1 to 10 offenses in their arrest history record. Our
analysis includes criminal aliens with arrests dating from August 1955 to
April 2010. About 90 percent of the arrests in our study population
occurred after 1990.

They were just looking at criminal history since 1955 and they say that of that history 90% is from after 1990.

Stop trying to imply there were only 25,064 homicides committed by aliens since 1955.

[Lagslayer]

So there's a petition with 2 million signatures calling for the Electoral College to vote for Clinton.

Also this: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.inverse.com/amp/article/23594-petitions-faithless-electors-legal-fees?client=ms-android-verizon

There was an equally childish petition after Brexit by butthurt Remainers to ignore the result of the vote.

This ISN'T childish, though, because Clinton actually won the popular vote.

Surely you realize that it would spark a civil war.
Surely you also realize which side has uall the guns + military support.
Surely you realize which side is already bottled up in cities and with no resources.

[Reelya]

But that's what the report says. It's a study of all arrests from 1955-2010 for those currently in prison.

At the very best, you can say those figures cover 20 years, because they cover people arrested 1990-2010 for 90% of cases.

But some of those people have been in prison since 1955, that's what the report is about. 8% committed homicide, and 10% have been in there over 20 years. It's common sense that a higher proportion of the 20+ year inmates are there for homicide.

[Neonivek]

Neonivek: The arrests cover 55 years, however. Not 4 years. it's an analysis of everyone in prison. See page 24 / PDF page 18.

They do cite that 90% of the arrests were 1990 or later. So you could knock that down to 20 years at best, but remember homicide generally receives longer sentences, so of the remaining 10% who have been in prison for over 20 years at the time of the report, a higher percentage of them were probably homicides than those in their for shorter terms.

Ahh thank you. I was trying to reconcile it because the GOP wouldn't lie (though as always Statistics are all about how you interpret the information)... and if those numbers really did suggest that Illegal Immigrants commited that many crimes like HECK Trump would keep those statistics hidden (and any article about crime rates to support the GOP can only reference the GOP)

BUT at the same time every single study outside the GOP actually outright disagrees.

There isn't even a corroborating study that supports it.

[MasterFancyPants]

So there's a petition with 2 million signatures calling for the Electoral College to vote for Clinton.

Also this: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.inverse.com/amp/article/23594-petitions-faithless-electors-legal-fees?client=ms-android-verizon

There was an equally childish petition after Brexit by butthurt Remainers to ignore the result of the vote.

This ISN'T childish, though, because Clinton actually won the popular vote.

Surely you realize that it would spark a civil war.
Surely you also realize which side has uall the guns + military support.
Surely you realize which side is already bottled up in cities and with no resources.

+ is responsible for most food production + has the greatest terrain advantage + highest % of vets ETC ETC...

[smjjames]

Well Trump put a leading climate skeptic in charge of environment. Ebell. The guy's history is as a big tobacco lobbyist. This is actually extremely common: many of the "tobacco doesn't cause cancer" people became the climate skeptics lobby after the big losses by the tobacco industry. So basically you have a soulless corporate shill right there who'd put radium in baby's milk formula if you paid him enough.

The hell? We knew Trump is an immoral corporate shill, but this is stretching it to new heights.....

It's like literally EXACTLY what people are angry about, the establishment shilling to corporate interests.

So there's a petition with 2 million signatures calling for the Electoral College to vote for Clinton.

Also this: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.inverse.com/amp/article/23594-petitions-faithless-electors-legal-fees?client=ms-android-verizon

There was an equally childish petition after Brexit by butthurt Remainers to ignore the result of the vote.

This ISN'T childish, though, because Clinton actually won the popular vote.

Surely you realize that it would spark a civil war.
Surely you also realize which side has all the guns + military support.

I really don't think it would come to that, at least not to THAT extreme.

There's also a slim non-zero chance that nevertrump Republicans may still try to revolt and put in faithless elector votes, but there would have to be some form of cooperation to get the numbers to throw it to the house, which would be an excersize in futility anyway.