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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American: Judgement Day
« Reply #11025 on: November 09, 2016, 04:52:32 pm »

I was trying to evoke a counterpoint to;

'Our side will do better once old people die.'

with;

'Our side will do better once young people die.'

to show that both are sadistically evil but it was poorly presented as most thing that sound good in my head and actually get presented before internal censorship kicks in.

By rebuilt, I guess I meant more of re-formed or re-imagined. Maybe some people could read a thesaurus once in a while but it more likely people will only perceive what fits their prejudices anyways.

I'm sorry we can't read your mind so we can automatically agree with your point.

Maybe you should do a better job of presenting it, by putting that thesaurus to work instead of hoping we'll infer what you actually mean.

As for your actual point...yes, it's all the people who came back from the war who "made America great." Not all the people still here supporting the war effort. Not the GI Bill. Not the Public Works projects. Totally legit observation.
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American: Judgement Day
« Reply #11027 on: November 09, 2016, 04:58:56 pm »

Yet it's perfectly fine to read minds well enough to disagree eh?

Double standards always suck. If people are confused they should ask for clarification before jumping to conclusions. Responsibility for understanding is a two-way street as everyone thinks differently.

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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American: Judgement Day
« Reply #11028 on: November 09, 2016, 05:00:05 pm »

Don't get butthurt when you make a blanket assertion and no one agrees with it.

VIVA LA CALIFORNIA!!!

It's stupid when the South calls for secession in response to elections. It's no less stupid when California does it. The answer to our political problems is not to split the nation into new countries.
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« Reply #11029 on: November 09, 2016, 05:00:31 pm »

Okay, here's the President Donald Trump's (brrr) 100-day plan for what he wants to do.

Big stuff includes repealing Obamacare and replacing it with something called "National Health Account". Also repealing every "unconstitutional" executive order issued by Obama. And, of course, the wall. Can't forget the wall.

Of note: no mention of anti-LGBT or pro-Evangelical measures. Hopefully it'll stay that way. (Hope for Trump? what the fuck has happened)
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American: Judgement Day
« Reply #11030 on: November 09, 2016, 05:00:45 pm »

Goddammit California don't do it it doesn't work take it from Canada, we've had to deal with Quebec's shit for decades
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American: Judgement Day
« Reply #11031 on: November 09, 2016, 05:02:17 pm »

If people are too afraid to walk around a college campus, then we have pretty amazing problems even without Trump. Calling the millennial generation ridiculously pampered and fragile is pretty cliche, but it is 100% accurate from my observations.

https://theintercept.com/2016/05/05/hate-crimes-rise-along-with-donald-trumps-anti-muslim-rhetoric/

Statistics disagree but whatever.


That "study" is laughably unconvincing and biased.
Whereas your anecdotal experience is the objective truth. an interesting proposition.

As I said before...

That's showing a correlation between Trump and Anti-Muslim violence (on a website that has clear anti-Trump Bias see: https://theintercept.com/2016/11/09/donald-trump-will-be-president-this-is-what-we-do-next/ ).
As we all know correlation =/= causation.

More realistic reasons for both Trump's calls for more scrutiny of Muslims AND anti-Muslim violence:
The increase in high profile Islamic Terrorist attacks. (San Bernardino, Orlando, Nice, Charlie Hebdo, etc.)
The Syrian Crisis (close to 1 million refugees that are likely never going back home)


Many people (not just whites 1/3 of hispanics voted for Trump) feel, sometimes for justified reasons, that their way of life is under attack. Many of these people are going to push back to various extents.
Yeah, I'm sure that popularity of a racist candidate and racist violence are completely unrelated. If they didn't want to get attacked, those damn Muslims should have never come here anyway! How dare they... have slightly darker skin! And a different belief! Practically asking for it, with such gross attacks on OUR WAY OF LIFE!
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American: Judgement Day
« Reply #11032 on: November 09, 2016, 05:02:41 pm »

Give it to me this way:
In your opinion if Trump didn't exist would anti-Muslim violence be lower?
If we didn't have major political figures supporting and legitimizing anti-Muslim sentiment, up to and including our president elect? Wasn't spreading xenophobia and racism in general? Trump wasn't just replaced with someone saying the same thing? Pretty sure the rates would be lower, yes.

Maybe they wouldn't. Certainty's difficult. But when people aren't trying to tar a group for whatever reason, violence against them tends to be less likely, yes. Less accepted, less likely to come to mind as a possible course of action. Oddly enough, the less your culture considers something acceptable action, the more the frequency reduces.
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« Reply #11033 on: November 09, 2016, 05:02:56 pm »

Goddammit California don't do it it doesn't work take it from Canada, we've had to deal with Quebec's shit for decades

Theres no actual vote yet, just rumblings.
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« Reply #11034 on: November 09, 2016, 05:03:01 pm »

Okay, here's the President Donald Trump's (brrr) 100-day plan for what he wants to do.

Big stuff includes repealing Obamacare and replacing it with something called "National Health Account". Also repealing every "unconstitutional" executive order issued by Obama. And, of course, the wall. Can't forget the wall.

Of note: no mention of anti-LGBT or pro-Evangelical measures. Hopefully it'll stay that way. (Hope for Trump? what the fuck has happened)

Some of those points....I would actually support. Some of them are just plain stupid though. "For every new Federal regulation, two must be abolished." Lol. 4th grade arithmetic solutions.
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American: Judgement Day
« Reply #11035 on: November 09, 2016, 05:04:56 pm »

I'm not one for hate, saltiness or fear either way on this. I think as a whole, people have been getting too invested into the political system. Yes it's good to be involved, but goddamn, its like watching a pair of fans fight when one their favorite teams loses the superbowl. I don't like the exclusive political team fanboy hate fight arena that modern politics has turned into.

I've been completely apathetic about politics since I was old enough to vote. I didn't like everyone bullying poor George Dubya for being dumb even though he held us through 9/11 (Stop right there, conspiracy theorists.) and at least brought down a known terrorist haven during his term. Not the greatest, not the worst everywhere else. My dad still had a good job during his admin and I lived my teenage years safe and happily enough outside of the whole War on Terrorism. Gas was a bit of an ass, but what can you do? Hussein and Iraq were oil exporters.
Incidentally, I think all those jokes and memes aimed at Dubya actually hurt the dignity of the Presidential chair by splash damage. Thinking about it, all that time bashing on D-dubs actually is what made Trump getting to the White House possible; we implanted the seed that "even this guy made it, why couldn't anyone make it?" which eventually sprouted into the TrumpTrain.

When I was old enough to vote, I actually got excited about Herman Cain. He should have been the Republican nominee and President in my opinion but it wasn't in the cards so I just dealt with it. This could have been the start of my indifference to politics, someone this hardcore and charismatic getting sidelined for some sexual misconduct allegations for Mitt Romney who was as exciting to me as chicken soup with a slice of toast. Plain white toast.
But, I enlisted and my opinion on Obama being POTUS was still indifferent and moot. I had a good job, and I was happy going out on weekends and getting laid. I was having fun in the Air Force, but unless Obama outlawed premarital sex, I didn't much care. Gas stayed high, then went down. The world turned.

And now Trump's Pres. I honestly think considering the track record of who was in office during my life, nothing much will change again. If he engages in a trade war with China and the rest of the world, that would suck and things would get more expensive but my taxes are already withheld and I'm something of a digital monk with my spending as it is. But, if our import of ramen packets gets seriously disrupted I'll be in a right tizzy, but until then; ehhhh. As for where my tax money goes, now that I'm not in the military, I'm perfectly fine with being a little selfish as to where my taxed income goes since as a democracy we have some say in where it goes. I would prefer it go towards military and security, security being for consumers from corporations or such and from the political process itself tbh. I don't want my shows to get interrupted for commercials as it is, let alone political ads.

Everyone's worried about what might happen when they should worry about the strangehold the businesses have on our pornography imports. I could not function without my imported German hardcore porn.

My point being; put your vote in, keep an eye open for yourself but Jesus and Thor in Heaven, relax a little.
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American: Judgement Day
« Reply #11036 on: November 09, 2016, 05:05:58 pm »


By rebuilt, I guess I meant more of re-formed or re-imagined. Maybe some people could read a thesaurus once in a while but it more likely people will only perceive what fits their prejudices anyways.

Awfully sorry, but it's a very vague term for that intended meaning. No amount of thesaurus reading will help with that. Particularly if that is what you guess you meant.

Still, it lead to some very amusing pictures, like toddlers at work clearing the rubble of Chicago, with little toolbelts and hard-hats. The tough, bull-necked foreman chewing a pacifier in the corner of his mouth, supervising a toy crane. And honestly, I'm not particularly amused by the "Oh, it'll all be better and jollier when all the old folks have had the decency to die off"-rethoric either. It's good ground for a counter-point.
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« Reply #11037 on: November 09, 2016, 05:06:08 pm »

It's not likely to actually come to fruition, theres just too many problems involved, but it's just a spasming of anger and frustration right now. Trump has MUCH to do to heal the gaping canyon.
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« Reply #11038 on: November 09, 2016, 05:07:49 pm »

Oh hey, codician turned out to be a troll.....
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« Reply #11039 on: November 09, 2016, 05:08:25 pm »

Okay, here's the President Donald Trump's (brrr) 100-day plan for what he wants to do.

Big stuff includes repealing Obamacare and replacing it with something called "National Health Account". Also repealing every "unconstitutional" executive order issued by Obama. And, of course, the wall. Can't forget the wall.

Of note: no mention of anti-LGBT or pro-Evangelical measures. Hopefully it'll stay that way. (Hope for Trump? what the fuck has happened)
Woah some of those are very vague. Especially that last one. 'Drain the swamp'? The fuck does that even mean?
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