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[MasterFancyPants]

As a counterpoint to the repeated denigration of the people who rebuilt the U.S. after WWII;

Millenials could have really used a drafting into a military funded exactly how they want it to be.

Hate to break it to you, but almost everyone who was in WWII has since died of old age, and the last time people were drafted, everyone hated it.  Furthermore the nature of military conflicts has changed greatly in the time since WWII in such a way that the draft is (perhaps temporarily, I'll grant) no long necessary or even practical.

In addition, I've heard absolutely nothing that suggests the military and intelligence branches of our government like Trump.  I HAVE heard of various officers saying they'll resign in protest if Trump brings waterboarding back.  And I do know that Trump's various kill 'em all, bomb everything, why can't we just use nukes ect. comments have not amused our five star generals.

Furthermore, military and vet polls (what few I could find) had him tying with fucking Gary Johnson, which is pathetic for a republican candidate.

You are fighting his argument, but proving his point.
In the poll you just listed Johnson was leading with POGs, the airforce, and the navy. Boots (the ones who do the dying) largely favored Trump.

[Neonivek]

  I HAVE heard of various officers saying they'll resign in protest if Trump brings waterboarding back.

Now that would really help. It'd only ensure that their vacant positions will be filled with officers who don't mind torture.

Besides Trump knows far more effective forms of torture that can be employed first!

And according to my research Republicans LOVE torture. Though... they love it 33% more then Democrats.

[miauw62]

If people are too afraid to walk around a college campus, then we have pretty amazing problems even without Trump. Calling the millennial generation ridiculously pampered and fragile is pretty cliche, but it is 100% accurate from my observations.

https://theintercept.com/2016/05/05/hate-crimes-rise-along-with-donald-trumps-anti-muslim-rhetoric/

Statistics disagree but whatever.

That "study" is laughably unconvincing and biased.

Whereas your anecdotal experience is the objective truth. an interesting proposition.

[MasterFancyPants]

If people are too afraid to walk around a college campus, then we have pretty amazing problems even without Trump. Calling the millennial generation ridiculously pampered and fragile is pretty cliche, but it is 100% accurate from my observations.

https://theintercept.com/2016/05/05/hate-crimes-rise-along-with-donald-trumps-anti-muslim-rhetoric/

Statistics disagree but whatever.

That "study" is laughably unconvincing and biased.

Whereas your anecdotal experience is the objective truth. an interesting proposition.

As I said before...

That's showing a correlation between Trump and Anti-Muslim violence (on a website that has clear anti-Trump Bias see: https://theintercept.com/2016/11/09/donald-trump-will-be-president-this-is-what-we-do-next/ ).
As we all know correlation =/= causation.

More realistic reasons for both Trump's calls for more scrutiny of Muslims AND anti-Muslim violence:
The increase in high profile Islamic Terrorist attacks. (San Bernardino, Orlando, Nice, Charlie Hebdo, etc.)
The Syrian Crisis (close to 1 million refugees that are likely never going back home)


Many people (not just whites 1/3 of hispanics voted for Trump) feel, sometimes for justified reasons, that their way of life is under attack. Many of these people are going to push back to various extents.

[Strife26]

  I HAVE heard of various officers saying they'll resign in protest if Trump brings waterboarding back.

Now that would really help. It'd only ensure that their vacant positions will be filled with officers who don't mind torture.

Civilian control of the military is a fairly important principle, even (and especially) when the civilian control is disliked.

[Neonivek]

As we all know correlation =/= causation

Yeah, just because it happens after Trump speeches, especially anti-Muslim ones... it doesn't mean it is triggered by him.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

It's gonna be a weird day when Trump is demanding we rape and mutilate our prisoners and the officers are trying to stop him.

[martinuzz]

My newspaper's cartoonist finally decided to make a cartoon:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

"On the inauguration day, I will put my son in front of the television and say: Look! It is possible! The world is at your feet!"

[MasterFancyPants]

trig·ger
ˈtriɡər/
noun
1.
a small device that releases a spring or catch and so sets off a mechanism, especially in order to fire a gun.
"he pulled the trigger of the shotgun"
verb
1.
cause (an event or situation) to happen or exist.


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[Vilanat]

If people are too afraid to walk around a college campus, then we have pretty amazing problems even without Trump. Calling the millennial generation ridiculously pampered and fragile is pretty cliche, but it is 100% accurate from my observations.

https://theintercept.com/2016/05/05/hate-crimes-rise-along-with-donald-trumps-anti-muslim-rhetoric/

Statistics disagree but whatever.

That "study" is laughably unconvincing and biased.

Whereas your anecdotal experience is the objective truth. an interesting proposition.

Yawn.   

A proposition i never made.

As we all know correlation =/= causation

Here is kind of the thing. The article isn't saying Trump is CAUSING anti-muslim sentiments.

So much that Trump is a TRIGGER for hate crime.

A trigger implies causation, even if you try to mask it as indirect causation. regardless, It fails to even demonstrate that.

Look, i respected and still respect you and your opinions and i am not just saying so as some sort of passive aggressive blow softening, but that "Study" is so bad i don't think it's worthy of my time, your time or any other thinking human being time. a debate on the stupidity, hypocrisy and shallowness that Saudi and Qatari funded organizations brings to U.S campuses is another thing all together, but i don't think it's quite the time and thread.

[Neonivek]

As we all know correlation =/= causation

Here is kind of the thing. The article isn't saying Trump is CAUSING anti-muslim sentiments.

So much that Trump is a TRIGGER for hate crime.

A trigger implies causation, even if you try to mask it as indirect causation. regardless, It fails to even demonstrate that.

No it doesn't, you said so yourself. There are OTHER reasons why it is happening. The fact that it increases in response to Trump is unrelated, he is only a trigger for the tension that already exists. A needle that popped a balloon that was still being inflated, if he didn't pop it, it would have happened anyway.

Which is a bit more of a nuanced argument frankly then "Nope, not happening. Those statistics were completely made up".. maybe if Trump gave speeches in response to Muslim news MAYBE...

Anyhow this one article is only one of many... I can list many others.

[Max™]

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Honestly, when it comes to climate change, I've already given up on the thought that the world will actually hold things steady. At this point it's bail or bust.

Lucky for us Renewable are gradually becoming a better financial investment than fossils so that change is inevitable from Bottom to Top and not dependent on policies from Top to Bottom. so at least on this part we're covered.

Covered, maybe, but if trump and the GOP go through the energy plans they've been outlining, it's a too-bloody-good chance we're about to see things set back years or decades so far as how soon that happens. And if the arctic's anything to by this year, how much we can afford that is questionable

Funny you mention "afford" actually.

http://www.pmel.noaa.gov/arctic-zone/gallery_np.html

https://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/index.html

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/

We used to have several daily products, webcams, and a full array of mass-balance/temperature/pressure/drift monitoring buoys. The webcam funding didn't get approved this year, the buoys are spotty, and several of the satellite sensors are dead or dying leading to hilarious errors.

I'm also not sure why there is so much difference between:  the nsidc concentration and the atmos.uiuc concentration but I assume it is down to the difference between the microwave sensors and the visual checks the Navy uses?

Still, sea ice doesn't actually do anything to sea level, it's "baked in" already since the stuff is floating, but I guess people being worried about it would result in more funding. Following the sea ice and watching the cams is a hobby at this point, this year sucked.

Though, there's a significant difference between observed hurricane and tornado strength/frequency and model projections, and you can't catch events of that scale with GCM resolutions and parametrized clouds, so any runs which include projected changes in hurricane/tornado strength/frequency in either direction are literally guesswork or baked in assumptions.

Americans be like "GOD WHY YOU HAVE FORSAKEN US?!?"
And God is like "DUDS I GAVE YOU A CLEAR SIGN... I GAVE YOU TWO SIGNS! WHAT ELSE YOU WANT?!?"


(It should be noted that I am only joking and I don't belive that Bernie Bird was a sign from God, because there are people around that will totally belive that this is what I seriously think)

Hah, I never actually saw the video where the bird came from, just the pictures with him as a disney princess and whatnot, that's hilarious. Shoulda gone with "that bird doesn't know it, but it just became famous" though, woulda been a funnier line.

[Crashmaster]

I was trying to evoke a counterpoint to;

'Our side will do better once old people die.'

with;

'Our side will do better once young people die.'

to show that both are sadistically evil but it was poorly presented as most thing that sound good in my head and actually get presented before internal censorship kicks in.

By rebuilt, I guess I meant more of re-formed or re-imagined. Maybe some people could read a thesaurus once in a while but it more likely people will only perceive what fits their prejudices anyways.

[MasterFancyPants]

As we all know correlation =/= causation

Here is kind of the thing. The article isn't saying Trump is CAUSING anti-muslim sentiments.

So much that Trump is a TRIGGER for hate crime.

A trigger implies causation, even if you try to mask it as indirect causation. regardless, It fails to even demonstrate that.

No it doesn't, you said so yourself. There are OTHER reasons why it is happening. The fact that it increases in response to Trump is unrelated, he is only a trigger for the tension that already exists.

Which is a bit more of a nuanced argument frankly then "Nope, not happening. Those statistics were completely made up".. maybe if Trump gave speeches in response to Muslim news MAYBE...

Anyhow this one article is only one of many... I can list many others.

Give it to me this way:
In your opinion if Trump didn't exist would anti-Muslim violence be lower?

[Vilanat]

As we all know correlation =/= causation

Here is kind of the thing. The article isn't saying Trump is CAUSING anti-muslim sentiments.

So much that Trump is a TRIGGER for hate crime.

A trigger implies causation, even if you try to mask it as indirect causation. regardless, It fails to even demonstrate that.

No it doesn't, you said so yourself. There are OTHER reasons why it is happening. The fact that it increases in response to Trump is unrelated, he is only a trigger for the tension that already exists. A needle that popped a balloon that was still being inflated, if he didn't pop it, it would have happened anyway.

Which is a bit more of a nuanced argument frankly then "Nope, not happening. Those statistics were completely made up".. maybe if Trump gave speeches in response to Muslim news MAYBE...

Anyhow this one article is only one of many... I can list many others.

The "in response to trump" bit? that's something that this study maintains but completely fails to properly demonstrate.