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[smjjames]

I'm torn. I don't want to side with Gawker or any of their ilk, and I hate losing pets... but Pence is such a hateful douche.


Can you think something is in poor taste but remain unsympathetic?

I've gone over it on my own and in my opinion there are pros and cons to both Clinton or Trump winning. At this point, however, I don't even really care which one wins between the two of them because it evens out. They'll both do horrible things. They'll both do some good things. In the end the US will be worse off either way and in 4 years maybe we can just go from there picking up pieces.

Can you name one good thing Trump will do?

Pence is shite, but that was still uncalled for.
Now, if the dog had died of AIDS maybe....

EDIT: If Trump curtailed abuse of the H-2B visa program (as he called for at one point), that would be a good thing. I don't have any expectation that he'd actually make good on that though.

Trump has called for term limits on Congress, which I haven't heard of from Clinton, whether or not he'll actually do them is another matter alltogether. It's one of the (very) few good things that he has going for him.

[ein]

good idea or not, good luck getting congress to pass congressional term limits

[MetalSlimeHunt]

The President can't affect term limits, even through law. That requires a Constitutional amendment, full-stop. At best, the President is just another (very well-connected) fucker who approves or disapproves of an amendment but does not have any involvement in the process.

[Max™]

Yeah, that's why I specified "do" rather than "jabber and fart words into the ether" as he usually does.

[smjjames]

good idea or not, good luck getting congress to pass congressional term limits

The President can't affect term limits, even through law. That requires a Constitutional amendment, full-stop. At best, the President is just another (very well-connected) fucker who approves or disapproves of an amendment but does not have any involvement in the process.

Oh yeah, you're right on the constitutional amendment thing. I guess Trump doesn't realize that because he is totally misleading his voters by saying that. Looking at Wikipedia, term limits on Parliament/Congressmembers (or equivalent) don't look all that common around the world anyhow.

But yeah, I have no idea what sort of good (and sane) thing he'd do, and 99% of what he says is "jabber and fart words into the ether" anyway.

[sluissa]

I want to like Stein, but....she's not as pure as she portrays herself. And she's distinctly unlikeable.

Johnson is way more likeable, but dear god his lack of foreign policy clues is a non-starter. Plus I'm not really an economic Libertarian.

I'd have a hard time holding mutual fund investments against someone, you don't exactly go through and pick those yourself, I'm probably invested in some shady stuff as I've got a bit of cash in a fund too, but I have absolutely no idea where that actually is, I just put it in a low risk fund. But I agree, she's not really all that likable.

At least Johnson admits his lack of knowledge and is willing to ask for the info he needs to know in order to give an answer. That to me puts him head and shoulders above Trump at least. But really... HAVE YOU SEEN ALEPPO?! Have you seen it?

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I'm torn. I don't want to side with Gawker or any of their ilk, and I hate losing pets... but Pence is such a hateful douche.


Can you think something is in poor taste but remain unsympathetic?

Poor taste either way. I don't like pence, but that's not what you should be rubbing his nose in.

I've gone over it on my own and in my opinion there are pros and cons to both Clinton or Trump winning. At this point, however, I don't even really care which one wins between the two of them because it evens out. They'll both do horrible things. They'll both do some good things. In the end the US will be worse off either way and in 4 years maybe we can just go from there picking up pieces.

Can you name one good thing Trump will do?

Can I name one thing any of them will do for certain? Hell no. But hopefully he'd tear apart the republicans from the inside out. He was also talking about a nice big jobs program on the southern border for a while. And I think there's enough of a potential shakeup there to get people to really re-evaluate some long standing policies this country has taken for granted for too long. And his tax plan, while far from ideal, does take a major step in the direction of seriously reforming the system and making it simpler and easier to understand with fewer loopholes... Although it's hard to really think he'd get anywhere pushing it since the president has no control over taxes.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Congressional term limits would be way too dangerous anyway. Despite what LCS depicts, it is not a path towards getting rid of ancient immortal archconservative legislators. There will always be more fuckers to fuck it up, even if the individual fuckers change.

What it would result in, however, is every member of Congress becoming eminently vulnerable to corrupt lobbying. They don't have the experience to resist or a future career to care about, so they'd be all over selling us piece by piece to transnational corporations.

[Frumple]

EDIT: If Trump curtailed abuse of the H-2B visa program (as he called for at one point), that would be a good thing. I don't have any expectation that he'd actually make good on that though.

He also kinda' reversed on that stance back during the March 3rd debate, so, uh.

[Dozebôm Lolumzalìs]

good idea or not, good luck getting congress to pass congressional term limits

The President can't affect term limits, even through law. That requires a Constitutional amendment, full-stop. At best, the President is just another (very well-connected) fucker who approves or disapproves of an amendment but does not have any involvement in the process.

Oh yeah, you're right on the constitutional amendment thing. I guess Trump doesn't realize that because he is totally misleading his voters by saying that. Looking at Wikipedia, term limits on Parliament/Congressmembers (or equivalent) don't look all that common around the world anyhow.

But yeah, I have no idea what sort of good (and sane) thing he'd do, and 99% of what he says is "jabber and fart words into the ether" anyway.

That's what every presidential candidate does. Sanders can't make college free.

Err, not the "fart into aether", the "mislead." Sanders didn't fart the aether AFAIK.

[RedKing]

I want to like Stein, but....she's not as pure as she portrays herself. And she's distinctly unlikeable.

Johnson is way more likeable, but dear god his lack of foreign policy clues is a non-starter. Plus I'm not really an economic Libertarian.

I'd have a hard time holding mutual fund investments against someone, you don't exactly go through and pick those yourself, I'm probably invested in some shady stuff as I've got a bit of cash in a fund too, but I have absolutely no idea where that actually is, I just put it in a low risk fund. But I agree, she's not really all that likable.

Absolutely. But there are plenty of mutual funds available now that specifically cater to people looking to put their money in "clean" investments. Social Justice funds and the like. For someone concerned with moral authority, I would expect her to literally put her money where her mouth is.

At least Johnson admits his lack of knowledge and is willing to ask for the info he needs to know in order to give an answer. That to me puts him head and shoulders above Trump at least. But really... HAVE YOU SEEN ALEPPO?! Have you seen it?

"I've seen Aleppo. And you, sir, are no Aleppo."

EDIT: If Trump curtailed abuse of the H-2B visa program (as he called for at one point), that would be a good thing. I don't have any expectation that he'd actually make good on that though.

He also kinda' reversed on that stance back during the March 3rd debate, so, uh.

Really? Damn. Oh well, 'nother nail.

[smjjames]

"big jobs program on the southern border", that's a nice euphenism for Trump's wall.

Congressional term limits would be way too dangerous anyway. Despite what LCS depicts, it is not a path towards getting rid of ancient immortal archconservative legislators. There will always be more fuckers to fuck it up, even if the individual fuckers change.

What it would result in, however, is every member of Congress becoming eminently vulnerable to corrupt lobbying. They don't have the experience to resist or a future career to care about, so they'd be all over selling us piece by piece to transnational corporations.

Yeah, it'd be hard to make it work so that it doesn't screw things over, and there are better (and far easier) ways to reduce the possibility of congresspeople holding onto a seat due to gerrymandering or other things. Plus I've seen arguments that it would have a brain-drain type of effect, removing congressmembers who are actually good at what they are doing or are actively pushing for something.

The only reason why we put term limits on the president is because two terms max per president had been a thing for so long that it had become tradition (there were some who tried to do a third run though, but those were like later, not while they were still incumbent), then FDR went and broke that tradition and died barely into his fourth term. After that, people were like, 'lets not do this again.' Probably a bit of an oversimplification, but yeah, two terms had become the norm by FDR, even if it wasn't encoded in law.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

That's what every presidential candidate does. Sanders can't make college free.

Err, not the "fart into aether", the "mislead." Sanders didn't fart the aether AFAIK.

You're misrepresenting the issue. The President has a critical role in both legislation and executive action to base their promises and platforms in. Proposing changes that require alteration to the US Constitution without mentioning that little fact, is inherently different and essentially a lie.

Sanders could, if he wanted to piss Congress off, pass an executive action derailing student debt even if they did not cooperate with a law on the matter. Trump can't pass an executive action imposing term limits on Congress.

[Frumple]

Really? Damn. Oh well, 'nother nail.

Hell, the guy is a lying motherfucker. Maybe the statement during that debate was another lie. Or the stance against the visas (personally consider that more likely given how cheerfully his business has made use of them, but eh) was. From a certain point of view you can't really be certain of anything the piece of shit says. Probably better to judge on previous action, which somehow tends to paint an even worse picture than what he actually says.

[Mephansteras]

Trump occasionally spouts off stuff that is actually decent. Problem is, I have zero faith in him actually having any intention of delivering any of it. Especially since he changes his stance on stuff pretty often.

The only things I trust Trump to actually do were he President is stuff that either directly benefits his businesses or lines up with things he's talked about for decades. So a lot of his foreign policy stuff and trade protectionism I can see him doing. He's been pretty consistent on a good chunk of that over the years.

Of course, I don't agree with any of the stuff I think he's likely to do, so it just makes me even less inclined to vote for him.

[Max™]

HAVE YOU SEEN ALEPPO?! Have you seen it?

*headsplosion*

Can you name one good thing Trump will do?

Can I name one thing any of them will do for certain? Hell no. But hopefully he'd tear apart the republicans from the inside out. He was also talking about a nice big jobs program on the southern border for a while. And I think there's enough of a potential shakeup there to get people to really re-evaluate some long standing policies this country has taken for granted for too long. And his tax plan, while far from ideal, does take a major step in the direction of seriously reforming the system and making it simpler and easier to understand with fewer loopholes... Although it's hard to really think he'd get anywhere pushing it since the president has no control over taxes.

He can tear apart the republicans without winning, he could make jobs already but his track record suggests he's not inclined to pay the people working for them, and his tax plan is kinda like the Reagan one on drugs.

Assuming there is a way to get around the Party of Nope holding the country hostage, Hillary can try to put in a justice who can vote against CU once it's brought up again, and vote against things like trying to roll back [INSERT RIGHTS ACT HERE] if they get brought before the court.