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[Powder Miner]

I find that definition rather questionable, playergamer, because while that's what populist movement leaders tend to say, there is not one unified view of the non-elite that is totally opposed by the elite, not even close. Non-rich people are very much split on what they believe... and believe it or not, so are the elites, as they're referred to.

[smjjames]

I wonder what changed Trump's mind on NATO, because he seems to have done a complete turnaround on his whole stance as far as allies go.

He's also saying the same stuff that Obama has said actually.

[martinuzz]

Gun control advocates say the government will protect you, but that's just a bald-faced lie. When the government just stands down and lets rioters rule the streets, it's a good idea to have a gun around.

Sounds like you're more of an anarchist than a populist

[smjjames]

bumping the troll off the first thread list

[Playergamer]

Okay, so, let's talk about vetting processes.

We can agree that somebody who wants to come to the United States should not be a terrorist, criminal, and actually have proof that they're the person they claim to be?

Alright, that's a lot of paperwork. Birth certificate, criminal records, aliases. And, big one: list of terrorist organization members. Where d'you think the US government can find that information in the war-torn Middle-East. And do you think they can round that up in a few months, for thousands and thousands of "refugees"?

For the Syrian refugees, it would be pretty damn simple to relocate Syrians in the Gulf States.
They can take millions of refugees. They have similiar cultures, and values. Europe can not, because it does not. It makes no sense to call someone who crossed the Atlantic on a plane from a safe country a refugee

[mainiac]

I don't get why all you people use populist as a pejorative.

Because inherent in populism is anger at the eggheads who make sure the bridges dont fall down and the sewage plant doesn't dump shit in your drinking water.

So that's how Putin paid Trump.

Strikes me as more incompetence then malice on the part of Trump.

Well, the wiki article is somewhat ambigous about it as it says that populism helped fuel the Revolutionary War, and populism has been behind many revolutions.

The revolutionary war was literally lead by unapologetic elitists who were well versed in the works of the classics and contemporary elites.  Madison, Jefferson and Hamilton were elected to high public office and two of them became president.  The Federalist papers were intended for a general audience.  That would be like if Lawrence Lessig and Jonathan Gruber were household names who people knew as much about as Donald Trump.

Just because something is popular doesn't mean the elites cant embrace it.

They can take millions of refugees.

Sure they wont starve (mostly) but you are talking about burdening countries that are already really shitty at providing for the welfare of their citizens.  Whereas if they come here they would make us richer and be much better off themselves.

[Strife26]

Alright, so I'm seeing a need to put refugees somewhere and a desire to buddy up with the Soviets. This is definitely a 1% joke, but CoDominion when?

[Rolepgeek]

Take a look at historical American populist movements. That cross of gold speech guy, for instance.

Almost any -ist can be used as a pejorative. It helps imply mindless doctrine. The other term for technocrat is elitist.

Sidenote: a surprising number of bridges in America are in fact at risk of falling into their rivers.

[martinuzz]

Take a look at historical American populist movements. That cross of gold speech guy, for instance.

Almost any -ist can be used as a pejorative. It helps imply mindless doctrine. The other term for technocrat is elitist.

Sidenote: a surprising number of bridges in America are in fact at risk of falling into their rivers.

It has always stumped me that the ancient Romans could build bridges that still stand strong in present day, yet our modern society builds bridges that need replacing every half century.

[mainiac]

It has always stumped me that the ancient Romans could build bridges that still stand strong in present day, yet our modern society builds bridges that need replacing every half century.

Because there are a number of desirable characteristics in engineering and you face tradeoffs.  For instance you might want to make a bridge that goes for 10 kilometers and can allow three tractor trailers to travel abreast but doesn't bankrupt you. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chesapeake_Bay_Bridge)  That's pretty hard to do using stone.  Stone does do a decent job in the whole "sitting there for centuries" department.  Steel on the other hand does a pretty good job in the 10 kilometer span and massive weight without bankrupting the government department.

[Frumple]

Not regularly running bouncing multi-ton hunks of metal over 'em at high speed helps a fair bit, too.

[Urlance Woolsbane]

I wonder what changed Trump's mind on NATO, because he seems to have done a complete turnaround on his whole stance as far as allies go.

He's also saying the same stuff that Obama has said actually.

This sort of inconsistency is par for the course for him, no? And if memory serves, he's inadvertently echoed Obama before, perhaps the most prominent example being his whole "Let's be friends with Russia"-shtick.

[mainiac]

Not regularly running bouncing multi-ton hunks of metal over 'em at high speed helps a fair bit, too.

Yeah a lot of roman bridges would collapse in a decade if we used them for the kind of traffic a modern bridge gets.

[smjjames]

And a large reason why the bridges are crumbling is because we aren't maintaining them properly. Plus, unlike stone, iron rusts.

[Strife26]

But those Autobahn bridges are built to last. More proof that, with all their promoting of infrastructure improvements, both parties are promoting Nazis.