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[TheDarkStar]

Also, I forgot to mention that someone apparently sped my action up last night (it's briefly mentioned in the results of the night).

Can you explain a bit more. Do you mean that they sped up your action in the action order or where you targeted by Dustan's accelerate last night?

The flavortext isn't clear enough to tell.

@TDS: Do you think the speeding up of your action had to do with being sick?

Definitely not.

[FallacyofUrist]

ICE

So you're Jo'freezy again?

i don't know can you be more specific?

Are you, or are you not, the same role as you were in A Game of Clones?
~~~

Dustan was scum, if FoU killed him than thank you FoU. We town have no beef with you, by the way (that is, if you're a neutral).

You're welcome.

[fillipk]

ICE

So you're Jo'freezy again?

i don't know can you be more specific?

Are you, or are you not, the same role as you were in A Game of Clones?

I don't know what was the name of my character in Game of Clones?

Wait. Why in the name of the Emperor is Filipk trying to kill suspected Vig? Dustan was scum, if FoU killed him than thank you FoU. We town have no beef with you, by the way (that is, if you're a neutral

Because he was trying to kill ME not Dustan.  He got Dustan by happy accident and he didn't claim vig right after Dustan died.  Don't give FoU more credit then he deserves.

[BlackHeartKabal]

We're just believing that a vigilante would hip-shoot on the first night? I'm really trying to buy into it, but I just can't help but think that Fallacy is deceiving us.

[griffinpup]

BHK:  The point is that you only answered the question when you were called out on it.

I did answer the question, though. I just asked one of my own beforehand.

Everyone: Don't you think that the A,B,C,D logic train is a bit simplistic?  Because, you know, it's forgetting about E,F,G,H,I and J?  It's not like the only potential killer was you 4. 

[fillipk]

BHK:  The point is that you only answered the question when you were called out on it.

I did answer the question, though. I just asked one of my own beforehand.

Everyone: Don't you think that the A,B,C,D logic train is a bit simplistic?  Because, you know, it's forgetting about E,F,G,H,I and J?  It's not like the only potential killer was you 4.

Then will a potential killer please step forward?

Right now it looks like Fallacy tried to kill me and got redirected into Dustan.  I should mention there was no mafia kill unless mafia targeted the other mafia.  Also I'm 99% sure that FoU knows exactly what I'm talking about in regards to the ice powers and is playing coy with me.  I'm opening the question up to anyone.

[TheDarkStar]

Fallacy: Why did you decide to shoot anyone N1? N1 vig kills are bad, but N1 scum kills are common.

[FallacyofUrist]

Fallacy: Why did you decide to shoot anyone N1? N1 vig kills are bad, but N1 scum kills are common.

Cause numbers.

I'm going to assume the town have a majority in this game.

The town can afford losses(for the moment), the scum can't.
~~~

ICE

So you're Jo'freezy again?

i don't know can you be more specific?

Are you, or are you not, the same role as you were in A Game of Clones?

I don't know what was the name of my character in Game of Clones?

Jotunn.

[Tiruin]

@Tiruin

If you had a vague idea what I was claiming, and if you town, don't you think that it'd be a best to give me the affirmative and thus prove yourself town in my eyes?

Teehee~ "prove yourself town in my eyes".

I have nothing to prove to you other than challenge your own bias, you have avoided and evaded my query on how your watching of me details me as scum :v (and especially on why you claimed it out anyway. "For information"? What does that entail in the context. That is what you're missing.)

Eeh, it's like being passively assertive, with reluctance in assertiveness! >_>

Your target's target is redirected to your target. Your target is redirected to your target's target's original target. If your target's target isn't targeting anyone, your target will be blocked. If your target isn't targeting anyone, your action will fail.
A - B - C
A = If action: Yes, affect C
B = If action: Yes, affect A; If non-targeting action: A is blocked (this also includes 'general actions' which are technically 'non-targeted'; if the target has a 2x or multi-target action, one is picked at random); If non-action: MY action fails.
C

Basically, Bus-Driver ish (see it in the Beginner's Mafia flash thing)

BHK:  The point is that you only answered the question when you were called out on it.

I did answer the question, though. I just asked one of my own beforehand.

Everyone: Don't you think that the A,B,C,D logic train is a bit simplistic?  Because, you know, it's forgetting about E,F,G,H,I and J?  It's not like the only potential killer was you 4.

Then will a potential killer please step forward?

Strange. You're asking the killer to name themselves in lieu of lacking information. fillipk, would you like to know that there's a doctor in the house? :v

BHK:  The point is that you only answered the question when you were called out on it.

I did answer the question, though. I just asked one of my own beforehand.

Everyone: Don't you think that the A,B,C,D logic train is a bit simplistic?  Because, you know, it's forgetting about E,F,G,H,I and J?  It's not like the only potential killer was you 4. 

Nah, it's TMS being vague and passive aggressive. :I And softclaim-y. And mistaken.

PPE x2

*facepalm*

I'm an idiot.

FoU.

Yes you aren't. :v
Your play this game feels like it though.

[fillipk]

PFP.

I was making a point on how we don't have information on other killers and unless they step forward our suspect is FoU.  You are right however I could have asked if there's a Doctor in the house and who they targeted.  However you claim to know there's a Doctor, how do you know this?

[griffinpup]

Everyone, if your wincon is the same as mine, we should focus on scum instead of third parties.

Just noticed this.  Why'd you make this statement?  Who were you making this statement too?  Why did you force Tiriun to roleclaim?  Was that your goal?  Why force someone else to roleclaim, but not roleclaim yourself?

[Tiruin]

ICE

So you're Jo'freezy again?

i don't know can you be more specific?

Are you, or are you not, the same role as you were in A Game of Clones?

I don't know what was the name of my character in Game of Clones?

Jotunn.

Err...what relevance has another game have, with this game?
And why are y'all inferring these 'same roles' in other games being the roles present in this game? :v

Fallacy: Why did you decide to shoot anyone N1? N1 vig kills are bad, but N1 scum kills are common.

Cause numbers.

I'm going to assume the town have a majority in this game.

The town can afford losses(for the moment), the scum can't.

Ooo, you've got a lethal ability o_o Yay! I random shot my thingy well! (Who did you target? :v)

Also wow, people are already out with their abilities -_- That aside, why're you claiming your ability to shoot people on day 2?

TDS: Thoughts on FoU before his explanation?

We're just believing that a vigilante would hip-shoot on the first night? I'm really trying to buy into it, but I just can't help but think that Fallacy is deceiving us.

It is actually possible Vigilantes do that in many games due to whittling down the # of probably suspects.
That said, FallacyOfUrist was my target, since information has been tactlessly disclosed, it would benefit the generality if the FoU mentioned his target.

Hector, what's your read on Tiruin?

Why the specific Hector?
What about the specific everyone-else-who-hasn't-spoken-as-much-and-isn't-Irish-for-bonus-points?

PPEx2
...TMS: Why're you voting FoU?

You lied about knowing nothing about the redirect. Which you just claimed.

-____-
{Citation needed, buddy}. If you're correlating me not knowing about the purple whatever, that's me being honest. Now if I said I've no idea that I redirected something, that's me lying.
Point is this, which many people do need to learn in order to prevent misunderstandings: Just because two things may be, or are linked, does not mean that one causes the others or vice versa.
So when I said I'm not aware of the purple whatever, mayhap that means I did not receive specific details of how I did my stuff but I did receive details that I did my stuff in general, Mr. Watcher sir.

I don't see how I'm being vague. I'm partclaiming and telling you that Tiruin redirect FoU with her action thing last night.

I don't even see how that being simplistic even relates to me. I am not A,B,C, or D.

I like being the third-person point of view here. Grammar fun \o/
But yeah. You are being vague in that you aren't being forthcoming with details that I asked with regards to it. You're pretty much claiming YOUR POWER STRAIGHT OUT on behalf of telling everyone that I redirected FoU. You haven't been direct at all with what that entails and how it connects with your vote and pseudo-assertiveness at me in the past few posts. :I
And yes, you're none of those letters. My words went away with how fillipk described it. Oops.
But my words back there were to the motive rather than the occurrence. Double oops for me thinking otherwise.

Since this might be a bit confusing I'll try to explain it better.
A is me
B is FoU
C is TMS
D is Dustan

B targeted A who targeted D
C targeted B which made them target D and A target B
Now A is targeting B who is targeting D

C doesn't exist in the equation, in short.

PPE. Nighty night o_o

[hector13]

fillipk

goddamn do you need to format your posts

Spoiler: spoiler 'cause christ (click to show/hide)

Unvote

3. It has context with FoU and Filipk. FoU targeted Filipk, I know that, and Filipk says he targeted Dustan. So what happened was that FoU targeted Dustan, but he was roleblocked by Filipk.

Hilarious however at the same time I claimed to have been roleblocked so I can't have roleblocked FoU.  Thank you for revealing as the redirector though.

What makes you think he's a redirector? There are more than just a redirector role that can make you switch targets.

How is it helpful to the town to reveal that he may be a redirector?

Same, Probably TMS's ability, which from what he's saying redirects the target to the person that their target is targeting which means you FoU, have a killing role and tried to kill me.  Unless someone else wants to claim to have targeted Dustan with a killing role.

Since this might be a bit confusing I'll try to explain it better.
A is me
B is FoU
C is TMS
D is Dustan

FoU targeted fillipk who targeted Dustan - how do you even know this is the case?

Moonlit targeted FoU which made them target Dustan and fillipk target FoU - you cannot possibly know this, and you cannot possibly deduce it from the available information, or at least the information you've announced publicly.

Now fillipk is targeting FoU who is targeting Dustan

Dustan ended up dead so that means FoU has a killing power and was going to use it on me or someone else targeted Dustan

Note the questions in bold, and the changes in your ridiculously stupid over complicated explanation of what you think happened last night.

This is all nonsense. Wondering whether or not you over complicated things in a misguided effort to explain, or obfuscate.

Why was it so hard to answer the question just there? You went out of your way to post it, how hard to you need to think up an answer for something that should be quite simple?

My target was Dustan and since he was dead I had to pick someone else.  I answered the question in a post along with other quotes from me reviewing day 1 so I could figure out who I trusted the least that was still alive.

What? Where did you answer the question? We wouldn't be having this conversation had you answered the question previously. What?

He's scum. What else do you think he was doing?

I still think its impotent to bring this up so everyone can see the contradiction and react to it, but yeah just some mafia misdirection.

Why do people need you to point things out to them?

Why do they need to react to it at all? Will it help find other scum/scum-allies?

There are 9 of us left. You also seem to be discounting that the mafia and/or mafia-ally/malignant third-party targeted you, meaning you're jumping to conclusions. There could be more PRs, there could be less. Either way, there is not enough information in the game to come to solid conclusion just yet.

How is knowing how many PRs are in the game useful?

Why do you think it's useful to speculate on that rather than put pressure on folk?

Question 1: It was an intro into me putting pressure on you about your claim on not having a power and being the only one to claim that at the moment
Question 2: Speculation into pressure so people could see my thought process and point out where it might be flawed, thank you for doing that.

Why do you need an intro to pressure anyone? Why is my claim so interesting to you?

Speculation doesn't turn into pressure, because it's speculation. It may turn into an addendum to pressure ("so-and-so thought this a few days back, it makes sense now") further down the line, but we're in D2, and you seem much more interested in PRs than scum. Why?

All these quotes feel very active lurky to me.

Okay, I still think you are lying or at least telling a half truth, would you mind sharing some role flavor or something like that to convince me that you aren't trying to hide a detrimental power from the town.

How so?

What makes you think I am lying or telling a half-truth? What would it mean if I was lying or telling a half-truth?

Your play on D2 has been all about finding the PRs. There's very likely at least one more scum out there, and maybe one or two scum-allies. We don't need to figure out PRs now, maybe not even tomorrow.

The quotes I was referring to are the ones below the horizontal rule, though the third one is missing due to my formatting.

Basically, in order: "I'll answer the question later" "Let's bring up something really obvious about scum maybe trying to mislead town" "Let's speculate about the role distribution" <- the missing quote and "I don't believe you hector."

ICE

So you're Jo'freezy again?

i don't know can you be more specific?

And this one too. He's quite obviously referring to your role in the previous game, the one with the Clone Lord. The game you have also referenced before.

More in a bit, don't want to lose all the work I put into reformatting that...

[hector13]

griffinpup

Hector:  Did you get role-blocked yesterday?

Not that I'm aware of.

BHK

BHK

BHK:  What flavor hints have you picked up so far?

Why ask this and me and particular, griffinpup?

Why avoid a reasonable question?

I'm not, I haven't picked up any flavor hints in the game's course, but I'm wondering why they'd ask.

How is not actually answering the question by asking a question to the person who asked the question not evading the question?

I did answer the question, though. I just asked one of my own beforehand.

Hector, what's your read on Tiruin?

You did, but it took someone saying "why didn't you answer the question?" for you to answer it. It wasn't exactly an answer that required ignoring the question entirely in the first place. Eyes on you.

She's null-leaning-town.

fillipk

Because he was trying to kill ME not Dustan.  He got Dustan by happy accident and he didn't claim vig right after Dustan died.  Don't give FoU more credit then he deserves.

Right now it looks like Fallacy tried to kill me and got redirected into Dustan.  I should mention there was no mafia kill unless mafia targeted the other mafia.  Also I'm 99% sure that FoU knows exactly what I'm talking about in regards to the ice powers and is playing coy with me.  I'm opening the question up to anyone.

Perhaps you would like to reconcile these two statements?

If the second one is true, FoU is not scum. Why are you voting non-scum?

Now, if we look back to TBF's role flip, his wincon states that town win when all mafia-aligned players are dead. This suggests to me there are no SKs kicking about, meaning FoU is going to be either town or scum, or scum-ally.

I'm also curious why you think FoU is the one being coy, when you're the one who has been playing dumb and asking him wtf he's talking about re: Jotunn. It looks like you're trying to invent stuff to use against FoU now, instead of using what you have available.

PFP.

I was making a point on how we don't have information on other killers and unless they step forward our suspect is FoU.  You are right however I could have asked if there's a Doctor in the house and who they targeted.  However you claim to know there's a Doctor, how do you know this?

Straws and camels, fillipk.


Tiruin

Your target's target is redirected to your target. Your target is redirected to your target's target's original target. If your target's target isn't targeting anyone, your target will be blocked. If your target isn't targeting anyone, your action will fail.
A - B - C
A = If action: Yes, affect C
B = If action: Yes, affect A; If non-targeting action: A is blocked (this also includes 'general actions' which are technically 'non-targeted'; if the target has a 2x or multi-target action, one is picked at random); If non-action: MY action fails.
C

Basically, Bus-Driver ish (see it in the Beginner's Mafia flash thing)

Who did you target, seeing as you're being quite forthcoming?

Or, I guess, your second target:

Ooo, you've got a lethal ability o_o Yay! I random shot my thingy well! (Who did you target? :v)

I am making inferences, but I'd rather see you say specifically who you targeted, since it does have... implications.

[FallacyofUrist]

You do realize if you had missed (assuming a general 7/1/2 town/neutral/scum start) it would've been 4/1/2? As opposed to 5/1/2? So if you had missed (which you kinda did, you chose the wrong target, tiruin just (possibly accidently) redirected you to kill scum. If you had missed, we would've had to get scum today or at least not hit town.

... Like, dude, this is an eleven player game.

FallacyOfUrist was my target, since information has been tactlessly disclosed, it would benefit the generality if the FoU mentioned his target.

Fillipk.

That aside, why're you claiming your ability to shoot people on day 2?

I don't shoot people, I blow them up! With music!
Why did I claim? I figured it would help to clean up the conceptions that were being shown of what happened. I imagine that's the same reason you claimed.
~~~
Tiruin: Your ability is convoluted. I still can't quite wrap your ability around my head. Maybe... use a flowchart? Please?