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« Reply #1035 on: January 16, 2017, 06:33:58 am »

Nah, when I think about the part of my country which account for 60% of my population, the first thing that comes to mind is not some TV show character. I mean, when I say Texas, the first thing in your mind ain't a pornstar, is it?
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« Reply #1036 on: January 16, 2017, 07:39:46 am »

Honestly?   For me, it's still https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Homecare without context to guide me, maybe even https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texaco (they've changed thrir logo2!) just before I get reminded that we're likely talking about the second largest state in the US1.

Ironic that I didn't write "the chances are that y'all were thinking the same", like I was going to, to make it clear I was invoking everyone in my statistical prediction, to allow for obviousanomolies like yourself.  ;)


1 Until and unless they cut Alaska into two equal halves, at which pount it'll be the third largest state... ;)
2 When I was young, I used to keep a list of all the different fuel brands I saw on forecourt signs. (Ironically, mostly while cycling.) There must have been nearly 100, way back then. I wonder where that notebook is now?  *wanders off into memory lane, as a shortcut over to rcollection avenue that avoids that tricky stretch via lethology boulevard...*
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« Reply #1037 on: January 16, 2017, 01:20:21 pm »

Don't get me wrong, the country IS falling apart. The Flemish separatists know that there is no support for independence yet in Flanders so they refuse to call for a referendum, but in the meantime they're pursuing a highly effective tactic of making country an ineffective mess so that independence look better. Hell, I find myself wishing for a split so we can have sane institutions sometimes.
If it's any consolation, Belgium falling apart is not an anomaly, most of the West exists in a twilight perpetual state of innovation and decline

Nah, when I think about the part of my country which account for 60% of my population, the first thing that comes to mind is not some TV show character. I mean, when I say Texas, the first thing in your mind ain't a pornstar, is it?
Is Texas famed for porn?

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« Reply #1038 on: January 16, 2017, 01:31:52 pm »

Is Texas famed for porn?
Must be corn.

Fakeedit: Do not google Texas corn on the cob
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« Reply #1039 on: January 16, 2017, 03:22:22 pm »



Spain is another great example. All of them were Spanish but now they are Catalonians and other Spaniards

It's far more complex than that. Spain started off as many different kingdoms and the cultural differences from one region to another are rather big. As such regionalism, and regional culture, customs, and laws, have been a big thing in Spain for centuries.

That being said, I think the main driving factor behind the current crisis in Catalonia has been driven by the ruling PP (conservative) party, which has harassed the catalonians badly during the last four years.  The situation would not be anywhere near as tense if the PP hadn't insisted in escalating the crisis over and over.



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« Reply #1040 on: January 16, 2017, 03:26:24 pm »

I'm going to regret posting here.
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« Reply #1041 on: January 16, 2017, 03:28:10 pm »

I'm going to regret posting here.
Too late. 
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« Reply #1042 on: January 16, 2017, 03:30:02 pm »

I'm going to regret posting here.
Too late.

Yeah, you really are.

This thread has a serious problem with police and intolerance.
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« Reply #1043 on: January 16, 2017, 03:31:56 pm »

I'm going to regret posting here.
Too late.

Yeah, you really are.

This thread has a serious problem with police and intolerance.
And with people who regret posting here. Desertors will be shot! Not one step backwards!
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« Reply #1044 on: January 16, 2017, 03:34:24 pm »

If you get in trouble, just attack me and you will be fine.

I am *does dubious research* Albania, everyone hates me.

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I still kind of laugh that they made a videogame called "Orwell" that is about a Orwellian government program...

And it is significantly less sophisticated and far reaching then the surveillance methods then the UK... and the US.
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« Reply #1045 on: January 16, 2017, 03:42:19 pm »

Damn Albanians, always calling dibs on the best flags.
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« Reply #1046 on: January 16, 2017, 04:27:06 pm »

Yeah, you really are.
This thread has a serious problem with police and intolerance.
Examples please

If you get in trouble, just attack me and you will be fine.
I am *does dubious research* Albania, everyone hates me.
When people ask you to post sources for your beliefs or actually say anything of substance they're just requesting the basic decency required to have a conversation. If all you do is post your opinions, devoid of any factual basis, leaving only vague platitudes and condemnations as replies, there is literally nothing to talk about and no exchange of information. I truly have no idea what you are seeking from your discussions other than an affirmation of your opinions, you must know that a disagreement of opinion is no measure of hostility surely o_O
Like this whole nonsense where you make reference to research and not only avoid posting your sources, you actively refuse to post sources. I probably wouldn't care so much if you didn't have express such strong opinions on topics you know little about, it is simply annoying for example when you condemn entire countries whilst refusing to justify your condemnations with argumentation or evidence.

I still have no idea why you do this. Repeatedly I and others have asked that you post sources or add anything substantive to discussion and you've declined on the basis that you feel to actually engage in honest argumentation is somehow a hostile attack, yet by being so elusive and sarcastic you are actively stunting discussion and causing people to just start ignoring you. I'm completely sincere in my statements, I have no idea if you're aware you're actively antagonizing other people in your efforts to be "peaceful." In what world is "does dubious research" serve as a proper justification for an argument of any sort? I'm not referring to your Albania joke, I'm referring to your earlier arguments. Why do you do this instead of posting your found knowledge? I really have no idea. If you think people like myself have attacked you for levying this criticism, I can speak for myself in saying I bear you no ill-will, and hold you in high esteem. I however cannot but help feel my patience withered away when you invoke an image of villains to represent my nation without any justification, and when I spend great effort to engage you on this, to challenge and learn your opinion's foundations - I am met with empty sarcasm. It leaves me feeling that I could have better spent my time productively talking to fish

It's far more complex than that. Spain started off as many different kingdoms and the cultural differences from one region to another are rather big. As such regionalism, and regional culture, customs, and laws, have been a big thing in Spain for centuries.
It's also far more complex in the UK than what I said, there is no eternal UK or eternal Spain. What I mean to say is in regards to Sheb's earlier post, where Belgian identity is strong - I am simply referencing how one day nations like Spain and Britain had strong unifying identities, the next day no longer

That being said, I think the main driving factor behind the current crisis in Catalonia has been driven by the ruling PP (conservative) party, which has harassed the catalonians badly during the last four years.  The situation would not be anywhere near as tense if the PP hadn't insisted in escalating the crisis over and over.
Sounds pretty grim, how have the Catalonians been harassed? Stuff like disenfranchisement or cultural suppression?

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I still kind of laugh that they made a videogame called "Orwell" that is about a Orwellian government program...
And it is significantly less sophisticated and far reaching then the surveillance methods then the UK... and the US.
Yes and no. A lot of it is on a par with the UK in that it is trawling through security and publicly available records to determine where people are and who their relationships are, where they go, what they do and so on to create a profile with which to incriminate them or eliminate them from a list of suspects. The main hook of the Orwell game is that you also have access to the real time conversations of everyone. This is a tool intelligence agencies do not possess, at least not without legal and technical difficulty, and not without the suspect having methods to circumvent surveillance to varying degrees of success. As it stands western security bureaus have access to everyone's metadata, can attempt to target individual communications, have access to everyone's publicly available information and also basic humint; they do not have the ability to monitor all communications at all times - there is simply too much data for humans or machines to process for now.
Data retention has replaced mass surveillance as the foremost privacy issue. It is impossible to fight against mass surveillance when everyone willingly gives away all their information, carries on them smart products recording and transmitting information ranging from their location to their meetings and contacts, even to those who wear gym aides with which companies can determine everything down to their daily mood. With data retention, operators can gleam through all the information you have accrued, your digital footprint, over time - and read your life's story down to a T. Orwell is less subtle, but that is by design; it is intended to be a warning against overreaching security powers. Also in Orwell the system of surveillance is imposed by the state, in the UK and especially the USA, most of the tools of surveillance are voluntarily created by individuals. A facebook user will not complain of being an open book to the state, the purpose of their account was to be seen.
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« Reply #1047 on: January 16, 2017, 04:41:20 pm »



That being said, I think the main driving factor behind the current crisis in Catalonia has been driven by the ruling PP (conservative) party, which has harassed the catalonians badly during the last four years.  The situation would not be anywhere near as tense if the PP hadn't insisted in escalating the crisis over and over.
Sounds pretty grim, how have the Catalonians been harassed? Stuff like disenfranchisement or cultural suppression?

First by persecution by politically-friendly media - you see, certain regions in Spain are fair game for scapegoating. It used to be basques, but since ETA has been gone for almost a decade it doesn't quite work as well as it used to - though they still try from time to time-. Now it's the Catalonians. Thing is, this kind of shit backfires because it encourages people who otherwise wouldn't vote nationalist parties to do so out of disenfranchisment.

However, in June something far more alarming took place: The former Spanish Inner Affairs Minister was recorded (while still in office) taking place in a conversation where it was admitted, among other things, that they were persecuting Catalonian nationalist politicians, and sabotaging the Catalonian healthcare system. (Unfortunatedly, most links are in Spanish so I'm guessing this wont be very helpful http://www.redaccionmedica.com/autonomias/cataluna/caso-fernandez-diaz-les-hemos-destrozado-el-sistema-sanitario--5394

The google translate version is fairly coherent, though: https://translate.google.es/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.redaccionmedica.com%2Fautonomias%2Fcataluna%2Fcaso-fernandez-diaz-les-hemos-destrozado-el-sistema-sanitario--5394&edit-text=
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« Reply #1048 on: January 17, 2017, 03:30:26 pm »

That's absolutely haram
You'd think politicians wouldn't sabotage their own people's healthcare just to advance their party's personal agenda but in the UK that retarded shit happens too. How the best educated turn out so rotten is beyond me

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« Reply #1049 on: January 17, 2017, 03:33:19 pm »

How the best educated turn out so rotten is beyond me

Often sacrifices must be made to advance the cause of the Greater Good.

Or if you're less generous, "what does it matter what happens to a few of the peasants? We've got plenty of them as it is."
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