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[Spish]

Upon closer inspection, I'm gonna have to say no to retiring the fortress. It makes things topsy-turvy, clears out most the fun (and artifacts), gives us more dwarves, and is too exploitable. I'd much rather see us pull through this situation the old fashioned way (or die trying ).

[NCommander]

Retiring can sometimes fixing crashing bugs. Instead of a blanket ban, I think it should be something we keep in our quiver in case the fort descends into unplayable.

*/just saying*

[Archereon]

Upon closer inspection, I'm gonna have to say no to retiring the fortress. It makes things topsy-turvy, clears out most the fun (and artifacts), gives us more dwarves, and is too exploitable. I'd much rather see us pull through this situation the old fashioned way (or die trying ).

Ah. Well, I was kinda already about 2 hours into playing =(. From what I can tell, the artifacts don't disappear until the fort is unretired, and I picked up all of the notable stuff I found, which seemingly caused it to persist in spite of the retire. As far as the extra dwarves go, they're a migrant wave, I would know, since I saw them traveling towards the site while I was walking my adventurer to the fortress. The same challenge (how to keep them in) persists, and the fortress is now heavily flooded from the water, there's zombies in the base somehow, and to be honest I'm actually having a legitimate blast trying to figure out how to keep at least some of the dorfs alive. If you insist, I'll restart the year from the beginning, but some really cool stuff has happened thus far, and I've still not even through Spring.

[Spish]

Guess I'll let this one slide then. Same stuff would happen if we had to reclaim, anyway. The fortress is still young, so there isn't much to lose.

[Fleeting Frames]

So I was bored enough to risk my sanity and see what the fortress looks like.

Spoiler: And this is what I see when I open up DF in it (click to show/hide)

Oddly, none of the first 8 hotkeys lead here

Salo is visible in that empty NW room. He's distracted, maybe he needs a temple?

Spoiler: Rutherer in a Temple (click to show/hide)

I wonder if there is a way to check if this one's praying needs are satisfied, but I don't know enough dfhackery for this.

It is a bit labyrinthine though and has few tunnels to nowhere. Few questions are raised:

Spoiler: Are these some kind of planned impulse elevators? (click to show/hide)

This pathway reminds me of procedurally generated fortresses.

Spoiler: On the upper levels (click to show/hide)

Btw this level has like dozen undead who have two free and one climbing path to lower cross shown above.

It seems someone decided to start making catapults, then changed their mind and decided minecarts make for better shooting mechanisms. Uh, where did the great overseer want to place them? I found one built, but the orientation seems to be made for minimum accuracy.

Spoiler: Tower? (click to show/hide)

Hey, Gwolfski, this yours?

As far as plans go, not too hard to reclaim the entrance levers, though the easiest live target would be your lever-puller. If somebody tries this, I'd suggest retaking the atomsmasher door, as it's not hard to move 10 spaces in 200 steps :p

As a side note, I get 49-51 FPS here.....Which is better than my peaceful calm island two year fortress. Sign me up for a turn!

[Senshuken]

You know, if that tower had its only private food storage and access to fresh water, potentially we could station some marks dwarves inside it and somewhat isolate it from the rest of the fortress...

 Don't need to put in a firing range because the zombies and husks would make excellent target dummies what with lasting forever regardless of what happens to them.

[Archereon]

OH GOD ALL THE DUCKS ARE DROWNING AND THEY'RE TURNING INTO ZOMBIES FUCK MY LIFE!

[Fleeting Frames]

.....That is unexpected. I assumed the undead would get them, what's with the free pathways to duckies.

@Senshuken:
It does seem like a nice thing to make use of, I'd probably make it accessible from lower fort from a sealable entrance. With the live targets available, you wouldn't necessarily have to make the squad active, even - just guide to location and give crossbows.

However, there are few small problems with it: as you can see in the screenshot it is open to fliers and climbers, and there are signs of battle on lower level.

Also, I suspect any climbers could probably jump in through carved fortifications, as there's no overhang.

As far as sealing in goes, bolts would be an issue - can't exactly retrieve bones while husks walk upright near, wood is limited and smelting wellspring would require bringing up at least 2 magma-filled carts and anvil.

Still, either way the biggest issue would be the lack of living dwarves. (Dead, on the other hand...)

[Gwolfski]

That is my tower. I suggest you build it up and wider before adding marksadwarves.

[Senshuken]

That is my tower. I suggest you build it up and wider before adding marksadwarves.

So you're suggestion is make it not shit before trying to use it.

[Gwolfski]

No, it is so a stairway without view of the outside can go higher, eg ring of doors/walls around main stair so dwarves wont cancel jobs if they spot a zombie.

[TheFlame52]

Artifacts that vanish when the fort is retired and unretired reappear when the game is saved and loaded.

Also, zombies are wimps. Gwolfski managed to clear out that whole room before Salo got to her. Some of them are still dead.

[Archereon]

.....That is unexpected. I assumed the undead would get them, what's with the free pathways to duckies.

@Senshuken:
It does seem like a nice thing to make use of, I'd probably make it accessible from lower fort from a sealable entrance. With the live targets available, you wouldn't necessarily have to make the squad active, even - just guide to location and give crossbows.

However, there are few small problems with it: as you can see in the screenshot it is open to fliers and climbers, and there are signs of battle on lower level.

Also, I suspect any climbers could probably jump in through carved fortifications, as there's no overhang.

As far as sealing in goes, bolts would be an issue - can't exactly retrieve bones while husks walk upright near, wood is limited and smelting wellspring would require bringing up at least 2 magma-filled carts and anvil.

Still, either way the biggest issue would be the lack of living dwarves. (Dead, on the other hand...)

I don't even know what's going on tbh, shit is happening everywhere and visitors are dying left and right. The current plan is to try and get the handful of migrants on the surface down to the magma forge level; there's picks all over the place from merchants and what not.

[Archereon]

Artifacts that vanish when the fort is retired and unretired reappear when the game is saved and loaded.

Also, zombies are wimps. Gwolfski managed to clear out that whole room before Salo got to her. Some of them are still dead.

Zombies may be wimps, but thralls aren't.

[Spish]

First of all, you'll want to disable the underground alert; it screws with surface migrants. There are plenty of secure entrances to bring them inside while keeping the husks out, if you can lock someone in a room with levers.

(mind, your citizens will try to store items from the surface if they're not properly burrowed)