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FUCK YES LET'S LEAVE GET HYPE YEY

Casual yes, let's leave and get independence done with

Meh, probably just scribble all over my vote ballot to spite tryhards

Casual no, let's remain and get integration done with

FUCK NO LET'S REMAIN GET CALM YEY

[PanH]

Yes, the best case scenario is that we are forced to still abide by the same regulations and not get any of the current benefits. The worst case scenario is that they don't even let us do that and we're just screwed.

Even the best case scenario is kinda worse. The UK lobby was the strongest in Brussels in terms of market regulations and such. The UK was literally the country that had the most influence on decisions concerning free market, trade regulations and so on. Now the actions of this lobby might not reflect what every people in the UK thought should be done, but that's still a massive downgrade in sovereignty to surrender that possibility.

[Sergarr]

So why does everyone think this is the worst thing ever? I mean, not only is there the "holy shit democracy wasn't instantly revoked when they chose the unexpected option" factor of it (though it might be slowly revoked, have to keep watching) you also get to not have local policy determined by people six countries over from you.

So could you guys explain to an American why this is literally the worst thing ever? I was actually surprised and happy when I heard the result (though mostly for the above holy shit factor) so what about this exactly is going to set off the dark ages?

Modern UK is built on financial sector, which in turn is built on access to EU zone + the Anglosphere (USA & others), which means it was acting like a gateway into Europe, financially speaking.

Without access to EU zone, all that will go tits up.

But in general, I think the current Internet reaction is way out of the line (I've seen several proposals to "fuck UK as much as possible" from all kinds of people), and it shows that the current European situation is a very fragile thing, and can easily and very rapidly shatter into pieces.

[Sheb]

Also, a crapton of stuff is being done, for better or worse, through Europe. UK leaving mean massive uncertainties and a lot of things that need changing.

[hector13]

Er... sovereignty? What sovereignty does the UK have when they have to abide by rules they have little influence over? They're one country of 28.

Anyway, The U.K. is still in the EU into further notice (invoking Article 50, which won't happen 'til at least October, and will take at least 2 years from the point it is invoked) so they still retain all the benefits of that membership until they leave. The EU could be completely bastard and cut the UK out, but what would be the point? Letting the world know you're a spiteful bunch of idiots isn't exactly going to endear anyone to you.

[Sheb]

Er... sovereignty? What sovereignty does the UK have when they have to abide by rules they have little influence over? They're one country of 28.

Anyway, The U.K. is still in the EU into further notice (invoking Article 50, which won't happen 'til at least October, and will take at least 2 years from the point it is invoked) so they still retain all the benefits of that membership until they leave. The EU could be completely bastard and cut the UK out, but what would be the point? Letting the world know you're a spiteful bunch of idiots isn't exactly going to endear anyone to you.

I swear, it's like no one knows how the Council works.

[hector13]

A most helpful response in explaining how I'm wrong, thank you. I feel much better informed.

[Sergarr]

Er... sovereignty? What sovereignty does the UK have when they have to abide by rules they have little influence over? They're one country of 28.

Anyway, The U.K. is still in the EU into further notice (invoking Article 50, which won't happen 'til at least October, and will take at least 2 years from the point it is invoked) so they still retain all the benefits of that membership until they leave. The EU could be completely bastard and cut the UK out, but what would be the point? Letting the world know you're a spiteful bunch of idiots isn't exactly going to endear anyone to you.

I swear, it's like no one knows how the Council works.

I do! I think. It's "absolute majority", yes? "If anyone votes "no", then it's all ogre"? I remember that system because of one funny incident when Poland stalemated the entire EU on some food-related issue (I think it was pork?), and it took a while for the entirety of EU to make Poland back off.

[Aklyon]

So thread, basically what you're saying is this?
Leave lied, Remain lied, EU worried, EU spiteful. Complaining about voters you don't like.

[Sheb]

No, actually, that was changed with Lisbon, now it's qualified majority for most issues (something like 2/3rd of Europe's population and 2-3rd of the countries. Not sure), but it's unanimity for a bunch of the most important issue, like taxation and accepting new countries. Belgium was blocking the whole tax deal recently for example.

However, the vast majority of decisions (90%+) are still taken by unanimous consent.


Edit:
Also, I'm not aware of Leave lying that much. Granted, my circle of aquaintance if full of Bremain people, so they're quicker to point out the lies of the leave camp. Any example as egregious as the "350 millions for the NHS" or "Turkey will invade you"?

[Loud Whispers]

So thread, basically what you're saying is this?
Leave lied, Remain lied, EU worried, EU spiteful. Complaining about voters you don't like.

Pretty much

Also I said stuff about banks doing stuff

[Leafsnail]

How many Remain campaigners have come out to admit that their key policy planks were untrue since the vote?

[Sensei]

So what exactly were these promises Leave reneged upon?

[Leafsnail]

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/25/leave-campaign-rows-back-key-pledges-immigration-nhs-spending

Immigration was probably the single biggest issue for a lot of people, turns out it will actually not be affected at all. Meanwhile the NHS pledge was literally on the side of their bus.

[LoSboccacc]

The EU already couldn't fine them for refugee or anything, as Britain had an opt-out on migration issues.

So... why did they leave exactly?
I thought immigration and migration was the important part that made people take their toys and leave the sandbox.

Ignorance, it seems. Oh and being English. British humor and all that. UK: for the lulz before it was coolz

[Vilanat]

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/25/leave-campaign-rows-back-key-pledges-immigration-nhs-spending

Immigration was probably the single biggest issue for a lot of people, turns out it will actually not be affected at all. Meanwhile the NHS pledge was literally on the side of their bus.

"Will not be affected at all" is stretching it a little. he said don't expect 0 immigrants which is quite reasonable.