I don't understand it, it looks like people believe leaving the EU means border closing and leaving behind regulations?
That doesn't make any sense. Those policies are almost always bilateral, do-ut-des kind of deal. Can't have your cake and eat it too, etc.
Looks like? Goodness, you don't need to look, you can always ask em directly :
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To answer your questions
1. No, border control =/= border closing
2. EU not controlling British regulation =/= Britain not following export regulations
The UK already opts out of half the EU deals - they are having their cake and eating it too.
So what's the cake
I mean serious OW, if we continually lose opt outs and sovereignty what is the end goal? Don't have to be a genius to see where that goes. A long line of compromises where we "only" give up our state one bit at a time doesn't sound like having my cake and eating it, it sounds like giving away my cake slice by slice whilst someone else eats it :|
I particularly liked that Question Time audience member's description of Cameron as a '21st-century Neville Chamberlain'. I bet that stung.
Haven't seen that yet. Did anyone point out that without Chamberlain's deliberate policy of re-armourment, post-Munich, Churchill would have not had such a strong position to battle from when everything came to a head?
He also instituted the Factories Act to give workers paid holidays and other benefits we still enjoy today.
If only Cameron were a Neville Chamberlain, but I don't see it.
Oh yeah, rearmament post fuckup when war was inevitable, a rearmament which was insufficient in scope to defending the Empire. I won't give Chamberlain too much flak because he inherited a nigh-impossible situation of guarding an Empire too large with too few funds from too many enemies with no worthwhile friends after the devastating economic damage of WWI; my only main fault with him is that he was preparing for a war in moderation, when even his contemporaries knew WWII in defeat or
victory a war involving the British Empire would end with the dissolution of the British Empire, thus the only logical conclusion could be to accelerate and beat Germany in the arms race - not try to appease Germany, thus preserving the most Commonwealth lives on the onset of inevitable war. And the inevitability of war was certain, with Japan confiscating British ships and testing British resolve (which Chamberlain demonstrated most spinelessly) and Germany acting up in Central Europe and Africa, it would only take one attack from Japan, Germany or Italy to draw all three of them into a war with Britain which they knew Britain would not be able to fight and hope to win. It would take some grand genius of Elizabethan quality to have somehow emerged WWII unscathed, but one thing for certain is that Chamberlain will for good or worse be remembered always as the man clutching onto the piece of paper reading "peace in our time" to his grave. I always find it amusing that even back then, our bleeding heart party was convinced that disbanding the British military would convince Nazi Germany to respond in kind. Naivety dies hard. Does Chamberlain deserve this reputation? I don't know, reputations are earned and lost without merit (I believe I've quoted that earlier ITT), and in modern times I've seen pushes to elevate Chamberlain and trim Churchill's mane.
One thing for certain though is that referring to someone as a modern Neville Chamberlain is not a compliment, any more than referring to someone as a modern Machiavelli is supposed to be a compliment on their being an honest taxpayer. This audience member was calling Cameron a spineless appeaser of tyrants who acted alone against the majority of his opponents, his party and his people's will, who will die despised by all under a delusion that history will vindicate him instead of stripping away his merits and leaving only his ills. Being famous is a terrible thing
If the UK goes "In", Tory party members who wanted "Out" could very well jump ship to UKIP who no doubt will bang the drum for Euroscepticism, leaving the minority of "In" Tories looking rather outnumbered.
That won't happen, UKIP is not the party they would join if they wished to advance their careers. In the Labour purges and strife of Corbyn's rise, I remember the rank and file MPs were giving each other the advice to just lay their heads low and not attract attention of the biggest dogs as they fought each other over the party. I imagine it will be the same with the Tories, where the Osbornes and Bojos fight whilst the rest keep their heads down and work on.
If the UK goes "Out", the fact that major party figures including the PM and Chancellor wanted "In" will lead to even more backstabbing and schisms as power moves behind closed doors work to drive them further right under some kind of unholy Gove/BoGo coupling alliance. This gives up the centre ground to Labour, and we all know how things go when Labour own the centre.
Not much room to backstab after the knives have already been shown, and I'm not particularly sure why they'd arbitrarily seek to push further right by taking over the CCO in backdoor stabbity stab, as none have expressed any interest in doing so. This would still leave Labour stuck with the extreme left.
Interestingly whilst watching Corbyn's talk today, I did regret watching the first 15 minutes of cringe worthy "interviewing" of the selected audience, but when Corbyn got on the quality improved immensely. I find it most amusing that Corbyn is a eurosceptic of the soft kind, wanting to keep the structure of the EU so he can use it to advance socialism, definitely raises him in my eyes as a man of centipedal banter.
My predictions are usually shit because I'm an ignorant pisshead, but I'm fairly confident that the following things will happen in the near future:
June 23 2016: Narrow Brexit victory.
June 24 2016: Hameron and his Brexin cronies try to pull a fast one.
Shortly after that: Hameron resigns amid massive protests before the matter gets taken to parliament.
A bit later: Boris rules the waves and all the Brexin Tories rally behind him.
Later still: Major Eurosceptic victories all over Europe.
Much later: ? ? ?
June 23 2026: THE EU IS DEAD, LONG LIVE THE EU
Fugggg :
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