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[Aseaheru]

 What about a chance to capture some enemy equipment, with the most likely stuff being the oldest, most common things in use. It would then have to be reverse engineered, but it gives the change to do things like use enemy equipment.

[Zanzetkuken The Great]

In that case, it's nearly pointless and probably needs to be removed.

We'll see how it goes.  Might wind up proving more useful than you would think.

What about a chance to capture some enemy equipment, with the most likely stuff being the oldest, most common things in use. It would then have to be reverse engineered, but it gives the change to do things like use enemy equipment.

This might work.  Though with the reverse engineering, would it be better to have the weapon effectively 'unlock' after a period of time, or would utilizing a revision credit?  I think I'll probably end up having the capture via battle remain a tech, but I might upgrade the espionage to this idea as another result for theft than just tech.

[Aseaheru]

 I would say that it probably should take a revision, unless something odd happens like an attack on the factory making them, resulting in the liberation of the plans.

[Kot]

Realistically speaking, after a few turns it should proably be possible to reverse engineer (just an revision) older (few turns, dunno) enemy equipment, due to captured vehicles and guns and whatnot, but there could also be a chance to capture some of the new equipment when you make an decisive push, maybe even stuff that just got designed in that turn.
I kind of think about it in WW2 planes way - you can slowly collect enemy wrecks and pieces of scrap and try to make something out of it, by looking at pictures and comparing, or your soldiers could find an factory that had no time to evacuate, so you just got your hands on complete jet fighter prototype. Or maybe an enemy soldier surrendered with one, or something.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

Battles are determined via two separate d100 rolls that are modified based upon the tech of involved units and the number of units.

Are you sure?
That means 100 vs 100 will lead to

0-24      Stalemate = 44% chance
25-44   Victory, Territory Gained = 13.1% *2 chance   
45-59   Victory, Territory Gained, 1 Tech Captured = 7.2% *2 chance
60+   Victory, 2 Territory Gained, 1 Tech Captured = 8.2% * 2 chance

Note how the great victory is more likely than good one and both of them combined are more likely than the marginal one.

Now lets give one side minor advantage
d100(A) versus d100+10(B)

60+   Victory(A), 2 Territory Gained, 1 Tech Captured = 4.65% chance
45-59   Victory(A), Territory Gained, 1 Tech Captured = 5.7% chance
25-44   Victory(A), Territory Gained = 11.1%
0-24      Stalemate = 42% chance
25-44   Victory(B), Territory Gained = 15.1%
45-59   Victory(B), Territory Gained, 1 Tech Captured = 8.7%
60+   Victory(B), 2 Territory Gained, 1 Tech Captured = 12.75%

Great victory for team B becomes even more likely, stalemate is still the most likely result

Large advantage
d100 vs d100+25

60+   Victory(A), 2 Territory Gained, 1 Tech Captured = 1.2% chance
45-59   Victory(A), Territory Gained, 1 Tech Captured = 3.45% chance
25-44   Victory(A), Territory Gained = 8.1%
0-24      Stalemate = 36.7% chance
25-44   Victory(B), Territory Gained = 18.1%
45-59   Victory(B), Territory Gained, 1 Tech Captured = 10.95%
60+   Victory(B), 2 Territory Gained, 1 Tech Captured = 21.45%

Note how common 2 territory gained becomes

Huge advantage
d100 vs d100+50

60+   Victory(A), 2 Territory Gained, 1 Tech Captured = impossible
45-59   Victory(A), Territory Gained, 1 Tech Captured = 0.15% chance
25-44   Victory(A), Territory Gained = 3.1%
0-24      Stalemate = 24.25% chance
25-44   Victory(B), Territory Gained = 18.81%
45-59   Victory(B), Territory Gained, 1 Tech Captured = 15.34%
60+   Victory(B), 2 Territory Gained, 1 Tech Captured = 40.95% (doh!)   

I don't know how hard it will be to get a +50 advantage, but that looks like a game over.

[Zanzetkuken The Great]

I don't know how hard it will be to get a +50 advantage, but that looks like a game over.

A single tech provides a bonus between +1 and +5, while each additional increment to the ratio of how much you outnumber your opponent (ie. 2:1, 3:1,etc) provides a +5 to that side.  It's extremely difficult to get a +50, though I will admit that it seems the system needs adjustment.  Maybe a 0-24, 25-49, 50-74, 75+ setting for the odds?

[Ukrainian Ranger]

http://anydice.com - very useful tool for GM's that make their own systems. It allows to see probabilities

Use output 1d100-1d100 to get probabilities, stuff like output 1d100-(1d100+5) works too.

[Zanzetkuken The Great]

http://anydice.com - very useful tool for GM's that make their own systems. It allows to see probabilities

With the prior one, did you group that by hand or am I misunderstanding one of the functions? Figured it out, the by 25 seems to be a fairly good setting for the battles.

[Zanzetkuken The Great]

Made a list of all the weapon trades I was able to find on a look through of the original game.  Did I wind up missing any or did I get most/all of them?  I want to reference the usage of these weapons as either inspiration or actually being used within the Second World War in the opening post of the next game, so the greater the accuracy, the better.

Nazi Germany - AS-AR34, Model 1 Service Rifle (Depends upon how it is counted.)
1934 Anonymous Buyers - Bumblebee
1920 Unknown Organization - Five-Shooter
British - T2 Breaker
Chinese Royal Army - M3 Sorraia
Chinese Communists - AS-1911
Antegria - AS-1910 Mag
American Hunting Company - the Horsekiller
Red Army - AS-T15

[Aseaheru]

 Are you including the things offered but not fully accepted?

[Zanzetkuken The Great]

Are you including the things offered but not fully accepted?

Only the accepted.  I may wind up having the other one be utilized in a few cases with the earliest trades, though, but I'm mainly thinking of having them just use derivations from the original weapons for the most part.

[Zanzetkuken The Great]

Below is what I am thinking of utilizing for the OP of the next game.  Also included what I may be using as the starting technology for each faction, so take a look over that as well and give me your opinion on the distribution.  I wanted to keep everything with similar numbers of resources required for the starting tech, so a couple changes were done to keep the costs roughly equal in the number of resources required from the basic 1 Ore, 1 Oil I'm going to be using as the starting total resources of each faction.  Tell me if you have any major complaints about the selection I set up for the two factions or the way I wrote things up.


It is the end of the fifth year since the end of the Second World War.  The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics has recently conducted its first test of an atomic bomb, rapidly followed by successful tests in both Forenia and Tropico of their heavy automatized mecha.  While it is not yet determined how they will reel in the deployed prototypes, both governments assure they are working on the problem.  Furthermore, the Korean War has begun, with both sides deploying numerous amounts of both Forenian and Tropican arms, that diplomats from both nations express apparent amazement at their presence, while commenting on more effective deployments and thanking both sides for resources that are being so generously provided to both islands.

Within Southeast Asia, the governments have largely collapsed. After being liberated from Japanese control by forces from Forenia, the island nation attempted to hold control the territory it had rightfully acquired in its own eyes, creating numerous organizations to further spread their ideals to the inhabitants, many of which having grown in the region over the course of the multi-decade war on Forenia.  With outside diplomatic pressures, Forenia backed off, but had decided to liberate the islands and created governments based off their own ideals, rather than return the islands to those that owned them before the war.  Most of these did not last very long, however, for one particular reason.

Much of Forenian culture has its basis within holding a large amount of spite against a particular target and deciding to lash out against it.  This is what had led to their massive multi-decade war in the first place, and their nation likely would have collapsed as the next generation began to rumble into power and they grew dissatisfied.  With the occurrence of the outbreak of the Second World War upon their island by the Japanese, something changed.  With exception to a few nationalistic organizations, the Arstotzkan and Moskurg peoples had their identities reforged into viewing themselves as a united Forenian people and were largely content.  The chance of conflict would grow, but it would be with individuals outside their island or, in a pinch, the armed rebels within the mountains that stuck to the old lines.

Without these conflicts fully united the populations, most of the governments collapsed.  The Federation of Malaysia and the Republic of New Guinea managed to survive through directing their populace to focus upon the other nation rather than at each other.  While both nations were separated by a fair distance, it was viewed by both sides as only a minor obstacle to go through to reach the object of their focus.  As an attempt to speed up their efforts, both create their own Design Bureaus to speed up the process of reaching their foe and to provide with better weaponry for their militaries, based upon the Bureaus found in Forenia.  In fact, a couple Forenian engineers rumored to be on either side...

Spoiler: Federation of Malaysia Weapons Technology (click to show/hide)

Weapons
MK-47 Assault Rifle: (2 Ore)(Personal, Medium, General)This is a blowback operated rifle using .30 caliber rounds, designed to be an automatic weapon with a similar size and role to the Model 1 Service Rifle. It has a rear pistol grip, a slotted wooden foregrip and a 30 round magazine which mounts on the side. It is based on the Cascade's action, but heavily reinforced to withstand the pressures incurred by full size rifle rounds. The heavy moving bolt significantly affects accuracy when firing automatically, even at medium range. The weapon has a heavy barrel to prevent overheating and help with the recoil, which makes the weapon weigh around 16 pounds, but the recoil from rapidly firing rifle rounds is still a significant issue. Fires 600 rounds per minute. Costs 2 ore.
Incinerator Flamethrower: (2 Ore, 2 Oil)(Personal, Large, Officer) A heavy weapon, consists of two tanks on a soldier's back (one of harmless nitrogen as a propellant, and one of flamethrower fuel) and a nozzle with a pilot light. Shoots a jet of burning liquid about 25 feet. Includes an emergency cutoff valve.
AS-P32: (Personal, Large, General) A parachute that is large and round, and has various straps, clips and buckles to allow a soldier to carry a light primary weapon, such as the Nosin, AS-F14 or MC16, and their ammo and a grenade, or an AS-1924 but not much ammo. Alternatively, a paratrooper could also bring an AS-1911 mortar and a few rounds, but only their sidearm with it. Radios need to be dropped separately.
Model 3 Radio: (2 Ore)(Personal, Large, Officer) A vacuum tube radio, which now comes as a pair of 30 pound boxes (one of batteries and one of the radio itself). Each box is man portable on its own, and has to be assembled together to work. It also includes a light, flexible antenna instead of a radio mast, which can either be erected up a tent pole or worked into the frame of a vehicle. The result is that it takes up two mens' primary weapon slots instead of a wheelbarrow, making it portable by a mobile squad and useable after about a minute of setup. Alternatively, it can fit into most vehicles without affecting performance. Also importantly, it can now transmit and receive audio instead of just morse code, making communication faster in general.
AS-LM20: (1 Oil)(Personal, Small, General) A landmine! Consists of an explosive, metal shell and button. Armed by removing a key. The mines are cheap and simple, and reliably kill or dismember infantry who step on them.

Vehicles
AS-HV19: (2 Ore, 3 Oil) (Vehicle, Medium, General) A heavy truck, built for logistics. Uses a cabover design, giving it a short, tall and square cabin- drivers climb up three steps to enter it. Includes six large, pneumatic tires- two wheels under the cabin steer, and four close to the back of the bed drive. A simple spring suspension system makes a very bouncy ride, amplified by the height of the cabin. Under the cabin is a fairly large eight cylinder engine, which belches black smoke from two exhaust stacks that go over the back of the cabin. The bed is five meters long and consists of a simple frame that can hold a hopper, tanker, or trailer hitch. Other things might easily be built to fit there, but engineering didn't get around to that. Gets up to 80 kph on a good road, and can carry eight tons without too much trouble.
T2 Breaker: (5 ore, 2 oil)(Vehicle, Medium, Specialized) A tank built from Rolled Homogenous Armor, like tanks should be made of. It is medium armored throughout, with a slanted front but mostly square. The turret is specially cast as a rounded dome and rotates with electrical motors. Includes a 1.6 inch rifled Breaker cannon, with a long barrel, suspension and muzzle brake. The Breaker cannon can fire about 24 times a minute, it is single loaded by hand. It also has a coaxially mounted Brumby. The exit hatch in towards the mach of the tank and includes a pintle-mounted Brumby. The tank is a heavy, it sits on wide cowled treads and is powered by a big 12-cylinder diesel engine, and can get up to about 23 mph. Crewed by a driver, loader, gunner, and commander. Now with extra slat armor. The radio is usually omitted due to the already very steep cost of the tank.

Aircraft
Model 4 Yellowjacket: (3 ore, 3 oil)(Vehicle, Medium, Specialized)A fighter aircraft, built fully of aluminum. It has flat low wings on a relatively long, narrow fuselage which holds its V12 motor. The motor is fuel injected, and cooled by a water radiator. It has six exhaust pipes poking out under the wing on each side, and a canopy-covered pilot seat close to the tail. It is relatively sturdy and maneuverable, it is fast and makes tight maneuvers but is "temperamental", prone to going into out-of-control rolls and requiring a tight grip on the joystick. The canopy includes a tubular gun sight. The six Sorraia guns in the wings provide ample firepower, but the six guns and their ammo are somewhat heavy. Moves faster and maneuvers better than the Wasp, as well as having a higher altitude ceiling.
UF-1939 (5 ore, 5 oil)(Vehicle, Large, Specialized) A six-engine aircraft based upon the AS-1931-HAFB to transport the initial assault force to take a major port upon the island to allow AS-CV22s to have a place to land.

Navy
AS-CV22: (6 ore) (Ship, Medium) A steam-powered ship, worthy of sea travel. Uses two AS-51 S steam engines, which each power one screw. The vessel is around 60 meters long. It mounts an AC-18 on the bow for air defense, an an AS-1910 on top of the con tower.

Spoiler: Republic of New Guinea Weapons Technology (click to show/hide)

Personal Equipment
AS-AR34: (2 Ore)(Personal, Medium, General) The AR34 is an assault rifle chambered for 7.62L ammunition, an intermediate powered cartridge. It is fed at the bottom from a wide 24-round magazine, or a 40-round drum, and ejects cartridges to the right side. It has a tactical rail an adjustable iron sights on top. It is select-fire, having a knob on the side which the user slides forward and back to set the gun either to be single-shot or automatic. The knob is very stiff and requires soldiers to take their left hand off the weapon and force it. Most of its furniture is made from aluminum, and it has a vertical pistol grip and foregrip. It weighs under 6kg. It has good stopping power and accuracy out to medium range, and is relatively easy for users to control even on automatic fire (which is still far less accurate than shooting singly). It's about as long as the AS-F14, which means it is usable in close quarters but not perfect.
AS-1924: (3 Ore)(Personal, Large, Officer) A light machine gun using 7.62mm rifle rounds. It is gas-operated, with a box magazine, a bottom-fed 25 round rectangular mag or 60 round drum. It includes an aluminium stock, magazines and fixtures, which are lighter than wood fixtures used on previous guns, though the barrel, action etc are steel. It is easily man portable at 8 kilos, allowing one man to carry the gun and a decent amount of ammo, though AS-1924 gunners are still often accompanied by a man to spot and carry additional ammo. It can be fired while standing or kneeling, with its pistol grip and overhead foregrip, but is most accurate when used with a bipod. Sustained fire (through multiple magazines) can cause overheating. Shoots around 500 rounds a minute. Costs 3 ore.
AS-P32: (Personal, Large, General) A parachute that is large and round, and has various straps, clips and buckles to allow a soldier to carry a light primary weapon, such as the Nosin, AS-F14 or MC16, and their ammo and a grenade, or an AS-1924 but not much ammo. Alternatively, a paratrooper could also bring an AS-1911 mortar and a few rounds, but only their sidearm with it. Radios need to be dropped separately.
Model 3 Radio: (2 Ore)(Personal, Large, Officer) A vacuum tube radio, which now comes as a pair of 30 pound boxes (one of batteries and one of the radio itself). Each box is man portable on its own, and has to be assembled together to work. It also includes a light, flexible antenna instead of a radio mast, which can either be erected up a tent pole or worked into the frame of a vehicle. The result is that it takes up two mens' primary weapon slots instead of a wheelbarrow, making it portable by a mobile squad and useable after about a minute of setup. Alternatively, it can fit into most vehicles without affecting performance. Also importantly, it can now transmit and receive audio instead of just morse code, making communication faster in general.
M34 Viper Landmine: (1 Oil)(Personal, Medium, General) A landmine! It's a disc shaped box full of explosives, with a trigger on top. The land mine includes a recession to fit the trigger of another land mine underneath it, and the trigger protrudes into this space when pressed, igniting all mines in a stack simultaneously. The trigger is locked with a removable pin. The version manufactured within the Republic of New Guinea is both smaller and lighter than the original Moskurg design.

Vehicles
L-1 Tiger: (3 Ore, 2 Oil) (Vehicle, Medium, General) The Tiger is, despite its fierce name, a truck. It has a long, narrow nose in front of the cab containing a twelve cylinder engine, and the steering wheels are next to it under round cowls. It has a bed where a hopper, tanker, seats, trailer hitches or other things can easily be attached. There are six rear drive wheels, on independent suspension.
T2 Breaker: (5 ore, 2 oil)(Vehicle, Medium, Specialized) A tank built from Rolled Homogenous Armor, like tanks should be made of. It is medium armored throughout, with a slanted front but mostly square. The turret is specially cast as a rounded dome and rotates with electrical motors. Includes a 1.6 inch rifled Breaker cannon, with a long barrel, suspension and muzzle brake. The Breaker cannon can fire about 24 times a minute, it is single loaded by hand. It also has a coaxially mounted Brumby. The exit hatch in towards the mach of the tank and includes a pintle-mounted Brumby. The tank is a heavy, it sits on wide cowled treads and is powered by a big 12-cylinder diesel engine, and can get up to about 23 mph. Crewed by a driver, loader, gunner, and commander. Now with extra slat armor. The radio is usually omitted due to the already very steep cost of the tank.

Aircraft
AS-HF-32: (3 ore, 3 oil)(Vehicle, Medium, Specialized) An aluminum built fighter with a mid wing. It has a long narrow fuselage with a water cooled, turbo charged and fuel injected V10 motor. It has a square-ish closed canopy and fixed landing gear. It is armed with 2 AC-18s in the wings and 2 AS-1924s in the nose, on an interrupter gear. It is faster and can climb higher than the AS-DB or AS-1931 by a good margin, and despite some turbulence from the landing gear it has better maneuverability at high speeds. Not often, but sometimes, the landing gear breaks off in an extreme maneuver, forcing pilots to land the craft on its belly. The bomb mounts and portions of the required reinforcing were removed to save on resources.
UF-1939 (5 ore, 5 oil)(Vehicle, Large, Specialized) A six-engine aircraft based upon the AS-1931-HAFB to transport the initial assault force to take a major port upon the island to allow AS-CV22s to have a place to land.  Much of its armaments had to be sadly removed in this revision in order to hold more soldiers.

Navy
AS-CV22: (6 ore) (Ship, Medium) A steam-powered ship, worthy of sea travel. Uses two AS-51 S steam engines, which each power one screw. The vessel is around 60 meters long. It mounts an AC-18 on the bow for air defense, an an AS-1910 on top of the con tower.

[Aseaheru]

 It looks good to me for the most part, although my inner Arstotskan designer grumbles about some of the item choices.

 Mostly the lack of tanks from our side, the fact that there are no pistols, sniper/marksmen rifles, field guns, grenades, etc. etc.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

1) Not including the SMG from the original game is a crime. It was a very notable weapon
2) I think that giving ore expensive tanks is a bad idea, better give some armored cars\assault guns\light tanks or limit vehicles to trucks
3) Adding some Japanese or American weapons can make a nice mix of real world and alternate universe
4) I think modifiying designs to use uniform set of machineguns\autocannons would be nice.
5) Malaysia has no machinegun and it looks like a notable disadvantage
6) No towed guns is weird for post WW2 armies

[andrea]

no tanks make me sad, after all the effort we made on them. the last iteration was quite good.

But overall, seems good although I'll join with Aseaheru in inner arstotzkan grumbling.


oh, and I agree with UR on the SMG. it was the main recurring character/weapon, a common theme followed by both nations during the whole game. needs more mention.