Print

Please login or register.
1 Hour 1 Day 1 Week 1 Month Forever
Login with username, password and session length

[hector13]

Ha indeed. You got lucky

I guess the first thing I'd like to ask Tomasque is to what extent the game(s) are bastard?

Edit: specifically regarding what roles we get in the game (are we going to have those exact four types of roles in the game every time) and the roles themselves (like... various cop sanities, millers etc.)

[TheBiggerFish]

I wouldn't say 'lucky' as much as 'keeping my role info hidden produced results'.

[hector13]

I actually hit you N1, and tried to be funny with my one-shot ignite! so hiding your immunity just made you look scummy

I could've still won if folk weren't so hung up on the bloody mechanics I thought that was a pretty good gambit...

Should just stuck with what I wanted to do and hit FoU instead. Don't know why I changed my mind at the last minute

[TheBiggerFish]

Hector:But it provided a way to confirm Starver's role, so it worked.

[hector13]

Nobody's role was confirmed. That's part of what bothered me about all the mechanics nonsense.

[Starver]

Well, before you ninjaed me with that revelation, I was guessing that Before the fuller details get added, I was guessing that I was Drenched, then. Thus the reluctance to counter my accusation (losing the one and only step forward towards victory).  Wait it out, Drench just one more tonight and Ignite tomorrow and that'd be a straight win.  No need to do anything more fancy than stay alive.

(I then went on to say...) If you'd drenched FoU on N0, instead, perhaps Igniting today and then relying on a mislynch (through shear argument) would have worked.


So, a bit of right, but a bit of wrong.

[hector13]

My drench was an unlimited use action... I was hoping to get TBF lynched 'cause he was the scummiest acting player, then drench you during the night. Given what you said your role was, I was hoping that I'd be able to win at that point, rather than try to bluff my way through another day (by saying FoU was an insane cop or something)

Edit: should also say that my drench was a night action, ignite was a 1-shot day action. Both were untraceable

[TheBiggerFish]

I had a one-shot Drench.  Which was, amazingly, water.
Which provided heavy evidence for Starver.   Because independent of my role, he mentions water being a weakness.

[FallacyofUrist]

Well that was interesting. Now let's do it(or something like it) twenty more times!

[Starver]

On confirmation of roles, by the balance of probability I could prove to myself that it was likely that FoU was roughly twice as likely to be Investigator than Evil.  Similarly, TBF was twice as likely to be the 'Special' as Evil.  Unlikely that either were the role I knew to be my own (depends on the Mod's hidden agenda) and unlikely that each was the the other's most-probable.

Hector (as I said) was unreadable.  Equal chance of any role, but adjusted by the above assumptions you looked 'least not-Evil'.

FoU's revelation tied down several of my assumptions into fact (primarily FoU's presumed role and your presumed role, but also flavour details).  Too much to so easily be an accidentally convenient lie.  Then I just had to not look scummy myself.  (Though I was possibly the most expendable, so was perfectly willing to make myself a night-kill target if it still helped the power-Townies.)

I'm not sure I would have played the Evil role any better, although I know I would have done it differently.  Won't explain how, though, in case I find I need to use that tactic myself, later.

(Ninjaed by two, now three...) TBF: I was at the start very tempted to pepper my opening statement with phrases like "I don't want to be a washout", or something better, to clue in the (assumed) Townie with the water-skill that I had something like that as a Town weakness.  But couldn't work out how to phrase it without it possibly backfiring.

[TheBiggerFish]

Mhm.  I don't know if I'd have picked up on it in any case.

[hector13]

Not sure how you could consider those things without any information in the game, Starver you only had your role, so everyone else has a 1 in 3 chance of being any one of the other roles.

Just out of curiousity though, and since I'm arguing from a position of ignorance, would you mind telling us precisely what your role and its abilities were? Might be something in that that allowed you to narrow stuff down.

[Starver]

Not sure how you could consider those things without any information in the game, Starver you only had your role, so everyone else has a 1 in 3 chance of being any one of the other roles.

...to start with.  Then people say things that change those chances.

(This is the first time it's clicked into place.  I'm usually terribly confused for far longer.  Expect the reversion to the mean, in future games.)

By the way, I've got three boxes here.  Two with goats in and one with a car in.  (Big boxes.  With airholes.)  Do you want to change your mind?  But maybe that's not the puzzle I want to argue about.

Just out of curiousity though, and since I'm arguing from a position of ignorance, would you mind telling us precisely what your role and its abilities were? Might be something in that that allowed you to narrow stuff down.

I'm waiting for our hosting/mod to put the remaining "I'll add this later." information into the relevent post, and I wouldn't want to pre-empt that.  I might even learn something about myself.

[hector13]

Not sure how you could consider those things without any information in the game, Starver you only had your role, so everyone else has a 1 in 3 chance of being any one of the other roles.

...to start with.  Then people say things that change those chances.

This is true, but what made what FoU and TBF said any more likely to have them in the particular roles that you thought they had versus the role you thought I had?

You mentioned after my first post that my silence was damning (to that point) so did that factor into it?

[Tomasque]

Edit: specifically regarding what roles we get in the game (are we going to have those exact four types of roles in the game every time) and the roles themselves (like... various cop sanities, millers etc.)

It is very likely that every game will follow that set of archetypes - at least vaguely. That's all I'm willing to say about that.

 The roles themselves might be repeated, but no, it will be nothing close to the same game 21 times in a row.