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[methylatedspirit]

So, I downloaded Grasshopper (A JavaScript learning/Google recruitment tool) on my phone a while back, and on a whim I decided to try and make the worst possible Hello World script I could manage.

Worst possible Hello World? The worst I can do is this (Python, but should be adaptable):

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hello = ("\u0048","\u0065","\u006c","\u006c","\u006f","\u0020","\u0077","\u006f","\u0072","\u006c","\u0064","\u0021")
for i in range(0, len(hello)):
     print(hello[i],end = "")

Which I'm pretty sure is structurally similar to what the compiled assembly of a program does when you write cout << "Hello world!" in C++.

[Bumber]

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hello = ("\u0048","\u0065","\u006c","\u006c","\u006f","\u0020","\u0077","\u006f","\u0072","\u006c","\u0064","\u0021")


Are you even trying?

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hello = []
hello.append("")
hello[0] += "\"
hello[0] += "u"
hello[0] += "0"
hello[0] += "0"
hello[0] += "4"
hello[0] += "8"
hello.append("")
hello[1] += "\"
...
hello = hello.reverse()
for in range(0, len(hello)):
     print(hello.pop(),end="")
Edit: Actually, I should've done deletions from the beginning of the array instead of reversing it and popping.

[Naturegirl1999]

Why would you want to make a bad Hello World script? What constitutes a bad script if it performs its function. Assuming both scripts work, what makes one worse than the other?

[JoshuaFH]

Why would you want to make a bad Hello World script? What constitutes a bad script if it performs its function. Assuming both scripts work, what makes one worse than the other?

I think it's the size of the program, the speed of execution, and how much computational power is required from the computer. I'm not a programmer, but I have played Human Resource Machine, a game that's like a beginner's tutorial on programming, and that game scores you on those metrics, so I assume that's what makes a good program.

[None]

It's like turning left three times to go right, I suppose. Some people just want to know how to maximize left turns in a journey.

Current upsetti- The impedance-regulating six-speaker-set-switcher I thrifted yesterday has not alleviated the missing middles in my stereo setup. It's less cabling up front, which is nice, at least, but I'll have to finagle some of that if I want to test out the non-biwired speaker pair I thrifted for six bucks to debug the system.

Slightly worried the core flaw is with the amp itself, which would suck beans because it's pretty much an antique and irreplaceable on my budget. Oh well, I'll play with it some more tomorrow when it's not the middle of the night and I won't wake up my neighbors.

Unrelated- 'six-speaker-set-switcher for missing middles' is some jammin' alliteration. Good lilt.

[methylatedspirit]

Why would you want to make a bad Hello World script? What constitutes a bad script if it performs its function. Assuming both scripts work, what makes one worse than the other?

Because it's funny and mentally stimulating! It's perversely funny to make an inefficient/unreadable script and watch it actually work. Have you ever seen the IOCCC, the International Obfuscated C Code Contest? There's a few YT videos showing some winning entries. Someone made a flight simulator in the contest, and the source code is shaped like an aircraft.

What makes code bad depends on the application, but it's often about readability. Remember, the computer doesn't really care-- it's going to optimize it to fast-enough speeds that you won't notice unless you're making something big or doing something really inefficient. Python is hard to make unreadable, but I'll try that. Consider this:

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print("Hello world!")
Simple, elegant, anyone who knows what "print" does knows exactly what this does.

But let's try doing format() strings.

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H = "H"
e = "e"
l = "l"
o = "o"
spacechar = " "
w = "w"
r = "r"
d = "d"
bang = "!"
print("{0}{1}{2}{3}{4}{5}{6}{7}{8}{9}{10}{11}".format(H,e,l,l,o,spacechar,w,o,r,l,d,bang))

Too readable! Let's mess with the variable names:

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d = "H"
i = "e"
n = "l"
e = "o"
r = " "
u = "w"
s = "r"
Y = "d"
slam = "!"
print("{0}{1}{2}{3}{4}{5}{6}{7}{8}{9}{10}{11}".format(d,i,n,n,e,r,u,e,s,n,Y,slam))

Let's put it into an array for shits and giggles instead, and let's do an indirection. Further confuse the reader with nonsense variable names. Let's encode it as UTF-8 code points, too. Except for just the one. Just give the reader a false sense of hope.

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Y = "d"
stan = "\u0065"
ornot = "\u0072"
satan = "\u006c"
saatanaa = "\u006f"
r = "\u0020"
god = "\u0048"
maryPoppins = "\u0021"
u = "\u0077"
import sys


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import dIngUsmcscRiNgus.py
import numpy
thegodequation = (god,stan,satan,satan,saatanaa,r,u,saatanaa,ornot,satan,Y,maryPoppins)

for i in range(0,int(((numpy.exp(1)**numpy.tan(1.1693705)) + numpy.pi * numpy.sin(1/4 * numpy.pi)))) :
sys.stdout.write(thegodequation[i])

I still think it's too readable, though. I'm not a skilled obfuscator.

[Naturegirl1999]

What’s numpy? Also that does look fun, and you taught me that format strings are a thing in Python

[Kagus]

It can be funny, it can be mentally stimulating (encouraging lateral thinking), and in a way it also exercises/demonstrates a good familiarity with the language. Just as making highly optimized and streamlined code that works is indicative of good understanding and use of the tools available, so too is making intentionally inefficient/unintuitive solutions.

Anyway, lemme see if I can transcribe this utter abomination here (Grasshopper, sadly, doesn't appear to have a readily available "copy" option for code snippets written in-program)

Spoiler: pr review pls (click to show/hide)

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const alphabet = [
'a',
'b',
'c',
'd',
'e',
'f',
'g',
'h',
'i',
'j',
'k',
'l',
'm',
'n',
'o',
'p',
'q',
'r',
's',
't',
'u',
'v',
'w',
'x',
'y',
'z',
' ',
'A',
'B',
'C',
'D',
'E',
'F',
'G',
'H',
'I',
'J',
'K',
'L',
'M',
'N',
'O',
'P',
'Q',
'R',
'S',
'T',
'U',
'V',
'W',
'X',
'Y',
'Z',
'!'
];

Function PrintWord (word) {
let total = [];
let foo = '';
let bar = '';

for (var letter of word) {
for (let i = alphabet.length; i > 0; i--) {
if (i === 33 && foo.length < 1) {
foo = alphabet[i + 1];
} else {
if (i === 5 && (foo.length > 0 && foo.length < 2)) {
foo += alphabet[i - 1];
} else {
if (i === 12 && (foo.length >= 2 && foo.length < i / (i / ((true + true) * (true + true))))) {
foo += alphabet[i - true];
} else {
if (i === 15 && (foo.length >= i / 3 - true && foo.length < i / 3)) {
foo = foo + alphabet[i - true];
} else {
if (i === 23 && foo.length === alphabet.lastIndexOf('f')) {
let q = 'Why am I doing this?';
let a = [];
for (var y of q) {
a.push(y);
}
bar = a.shift();
} else {
if (alphabet[i - true] === 'o' && bar.length === alphabet.length / alphabet.length) {
bar += 'o';
} else {
if (i === 9 * 2 && bar.length === i / 9) {
bar = bar + alphabet[alphabet.length - 37];
} else {
if (alphabet / i === 4.5 && (bar.length > 2 && bar.length bar.length < 4)) {
bar += alphabet[alphabet.length / 4.5 - true];
} else {
if (i === alphabet.indexOf('e') && bar.length === foo.indexOf('o')) {
let envelope = [];
envelope.push(bar);
envelope.push(alphabet[foo.length - bar.lastIndexOf('r')]);
bar = envelope.join('');
}
}
}
}
}
}
}
}
}
}
}
total.push(foo);
total.push(bar);
return total.join(alphabet[alphabet.length / 2 - true]) + alphabet[alphabet.length - 1];
};


console.log(PrintWord('aaaaaaaaaa'));


This was copied by hand from looking at my phone, so there might potentially be some issues that I accidentally introduced. I haven't tested it yet in en environment that lets me loop more than 500 times (which means I haven't even confirmed that printing the whole string works in the phone's copy).

There are probably some opportunities for anti-optimization and obfuscation here, as I copied directly from Grasshopper and it has some built-in restrictions in usable commands and syntax.

EDIT: Whoops, apparently forgot that W was a letter

[methylatedspirit]

What’s numpy? Also that does look fun, and you taught me that format strings are a thing in Python

NumPy is a numerical computing library for Python that adds support for a lot of advanced math operations and for many-dimensional arrays/matrices. It turns out a lot of computationally-intensive problems can be rephrased into matrix operations, so being able to do that does wonders for Python's use in science. It's a very parallelized library-- works best if you give it lots of numbers at once. It's also written in C, not Python, which makes it substantially faster than if it was running on the Python interpreter itself.

Format strings are great, but Python has another trick up its sleeves: f-strings! These things are great, especially if you're manipulating filenames and such. Look at these filename variables in one of my databending scripts:

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step1_out = f"{in_filename}-step1-{pixel_format}"
step2_out = f"{in_filename}-step2-{audio_codec}-{bitrate}-{pixel_format}"
step3_out = f"{in_filename}-step3-{step2_format}-{audio_codec}-{bitrate}-{pixel_format}"
step4_out = f"{in_filename}-end-{audio_codec}-{bitrate}-{pixel_format}"
It's amazing. You know exactly what the structure of the filename's going to be (though part of this is my variable naming scheme), and it's all done in a very neat notation. All it is, is if you put "f" in front of the string, it becomes an f-string. Once you do, you can do any arbitrary 1-line expression inside curly brackets. I'm a simple person, I just went for variable names inside my scripts. Nothing stopping you from doing:

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import math
foo = f"{round(math.sin(math.radians(30))*140)}"

I'm not sure why'd you do this, but it's right there if you want it. f-strings don't appear to replace the older format() string (don't quote me on that; I've only written scripts, not full code), but it's very nice when you can use it.

[Arx]

Something is jacking up my stress levels to the point where I'm getting stress dreams and they're not letting me rest properly. Get eight hours and it still feels like I haven't slept.I hope it clears up soon.

[Damiac]

Arx, have you considered seeking anti-anxiety medication? It's not something you need to take all the time but it can really help a lot when stress levels get too high. I have a few relatives whose lives were greatly improved after they got treatment.

Just knowing you've got the medication can be a huge help. I know it's hell when you can't get good sleep because your brain won't shut up.

[Arx]

I have both sleep and anxiety meds. Both are addictive and the withdrawal symptoms on the sleep ones are potentially rather un-fun, so I avoid them as far as possible. The great fun is that the sleeping pills don't actually help with the fact that sleeping doesn't seem to rest me! They do help on the really bad days, though, yes, which is good.

[Damiac]

I have both sleep and anxiety meds. Both are addictive and the withdrawal symptoms on the sleep ones are potentially rather un-fun, so I avoid them as far as possible. The great fun is that the sleeping pills don't actually help with the fact that sleeping doesn't seem to rest me! They do help on the really bad days, though, yes, which is good.

Yeah, I get where you're coming from. It's always a trade off. I'm glad you have the option for when you need it, sorry to hear about your sleeping problems though. I completely sympathize, nothing else in life is enjoyable when you can't get good rest.

For me personally, those sorts of things did get better as I got older, in my teens and early twenties insomnia was my life. Now it's once or twice a month.

Just to state the obvious, watch out for caffeine. It's a vicious cycle of not sleeping well, being exhausted, drinking a bunch of caffeine, and being all stressed and anxious and unable to sleep.  Sounds like you're already on top of that sort of thing, but it's worth repeating.

[Jopax]

Been catching up to the Dresden files recently, didn't even realize 2 books had come out last year. Still good stuff despite Butcher's rather basic and somewhat repetitive style (speaks volumes on how good the world and the characters are).

Anyways, Battlegrounds spoilers below:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

I really don't fucking get or like Murphs death, like, one bit. It took them 15 fucking books to get together and it kinda worked and was a fairly satisfying thing to read, after so long, two good people finally got something good that made them happy, in spite of absolute mountains of bullshit and suffering that was piled on them both over the years.
And the she just randomly gets shot and dies by an inconsequential asshole of a character that was already unlikable and that didn't change one bit, nor did the character grow from that shit, in fact he doesn't get mentioned once after that point.
Like, I get not having plot armor and that, but this was such a pointless death and waste of a good character that I'm just baffled. It feels like she was killed of just to make Dresden suffer some more? Dude has had plenty of that already, no point in piling more on top of that.
And then they hint at what I suspected might be a way to bring her back (as a bloody Einherjar no less) but you know, there's a catch so it won't really happen ever :V

So yeah, book upset me, even tho I generally enjoyed it, can't wait for the next one too :I

[ChairmanPoo]

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Honestly I´ve been guessing for at least 4 or 5 books that Harry was being angled to end up having a relationship with Lara Raith, and was wondering how they´d address the end of the ongoing relationship with Murphy. My assumption was that they´d part amicably, not that she´d end up getting snuffed

The one thing that nags me is that both Murphy and the mother of Harry´s son end up horribly, and Harry suffering horribly as a result. Granted, it´s not really OOC as far as the series goes, with many characters facing grisly demises and Harry being directly cursed to "die alone", but I wonder if there´s a component of the author´s personal problems being projected into the story