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Re: Things that made you mildly upset today thread
« Reply #7965 on: August 05, 2020, 03:15:04 am »

@JoshuaFH

I definitely know what your talking about. I've started a lot of projects over the years, and most of them have fizzled out in one way or another. I've worked on a dwarf fortress mod that was supposed to add a playable parasitic wasp race, I've run two unfinished RTDs and a suggestion game that I dropped after two updates. I put a lot of work into designing a ruleset for a cyberpunk RTD featuring anthropomorphic animals that I dropped after I realized they were too slow for tabletop play, and too long for your average forumite to read.

But it doesn't always have to lead to failure. Sometimes I take on a project and actually finish it. I fixed an annoying bug in a version of Masterwork Dwarf Fortress, involving a custom livestock that couldn't be sheared. I wrote a fun poem.

The key to preventing your ideas from getting ruined by reality is to shape them in way that actually is compatible with reality. To put it a different way, work on stuff that you can realistically achieve. Though that sounds a little like "Don't dream as big", there's nothing more gratifying than actually making something and putting it out there for the world to see. It brings a lot more joy than ones imagination, I'll tell you that.

Plus it's better to have a well-streamlined project rather than a bloated one. That's one thing a lot of "idea-men" don't understand. As an example, if Star-Citizen were completed, it would be a game where your average player only engaged with one 7th of its content.

As you actually make things, your skills will improve and you can begin to tackle more ambitious projects. And them some of your ideas that might have seemed out of reach for you, are suddenly achievable if enough effort is put into them. Currently, I'm working on modding in a set of Samurai armour for Terraria. There's been a lot of demand for such a thing for quite a while so I'm glad to be working on something that people want. I've already drawn the suit, I just need to animate it and code it which is simply a matter of putting in the time.

TLDR: Start small, and make sure it's something you still care about. Develop the skills and then you can work on bigger things.
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Re: Things that made you mildly upset today thread
« Reply #7966 on: August 05, 2020, 03:29:23 am »

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Re: Things that made you mildly upset today thread
« Reply #7967 on: August 05, 2020, 08:33:43 am »

Fairly sure I just cut ties with the Christian community I grew up with.
 
You know how I tend to pop on into conversations and have little theology tussles with those therein? I did that with them, and I let them know I can't consider myself a part of their faith anymore. It was over their show of support for what the federal government is doing in Portland. There was apparently a Bible burned as a demonstration, and I said they burned a Bible because mainstream Christianity has gone to exorbitant pains to marry itself entirely with far-right secular American politics for decades. Obviously they only burned a Bible because they are fascists and Trump is going to save us from the book burning bad guys.
 
No agreement was reached, I was accused of being too judgmental, and I left. This discussion was had with one of the leaders of that community, so I'm fairly sure that's that.

It's awesome that you stood up for what you believe, even if a split is needed for it.
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« Reply #7968 on: August 05, 2020, 09:36:09 am »

Good luck with your disengagement, Duna? I'm trying to say something encouraging, but I'm not sure what one says in this situation. I don't know how exactly you feel about it, for one thing. Well, if word gets out and anyone tries to bully you back in (churches aren't known for respecting their fellow or ex- members), just know you don't owe them anything. Probably you knew that already. Eschar's Erratic Encouragements, signing off.
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Re: Things that made you mildly upset today thread
« Reply #7969 on: August 05, 2020, 12:41:32 pm »

Thanks for your support, folks.
 
I feel ok about it. I haven't been actually active with that particular community for a long time, so I've been detaching mentally for a while. Watching them in the last decade or so and seeing the results of their actions is what formed most of the basis of my own spiritual beliefs. I'm sad/upset because I was raised there. I have a huge reservoir of genuinely wonderful memories with them.
 
And yes, that's how I feel about it in a nutshell @Joshua. Secular government and Religion should not mix. You end up worshiping the state. Also, I want to hear about your game idea.

Good luck with your disengagement, Duna? I'm trying to say something encouraging, but I'm not sure what one says in this situation. I don't know how exactly you feel about it, for one thing. Well, if word gets out and anyone tries to bully you back in (churches aren't known for respecting their fellow or ex- members), just know you don't owe them anything. Probably you knew that already. Eschar's Erratic Encouragements, signing off.

That does it, thanks. Also, I did it on social media, so really everyone I've ever known is aware at this point.

I still appreciate the encouragement :).
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Re: Things that made you mildly upset today thread
« Reply #7970 on: August 05, 2020, 01:23:39 pm »

Dont sweat it duna.  Belief is irrational, so it follows that positions taken from it will also be. Pointing that out only sometimes goes well. 

As for my own mild upset..  i just got a text that I need to go in early to have 6 inches of swab shoved up it again. Hurray.
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« Reply #7971 on: August 05, 2020, 03:11:05 pm »

Ooh, do we get to argue about different definitions of "irrational" and "belief" for three pages now?
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« Reply #7972 on: August 05, 2020, 03:27:13 pm »

Yeah, it's not really that easy to pin down.

For example you can believe the Earth is round, but is that a "rational" belief? You can believe that, but for the wrong reasons (like "well most people say it's round and on TV they said it's round" are poor reasons, or that a book told you it's round, also a poor reason). Rationality is about the process and not the end result. For the vast majority of people they believe many things that are clearly correct or incorrect, but the actual correlation between correct belief/incorrect belief and rational/irrational is actually pretty weak. Different beliefs were prevalent in times past, but it would clearly be wrong to label everyone from that time "irrational" and us "rational" as a result: "I believe what I'm told is rational to believe therefore I am a rational believer" really just makes people feel good.

A world where everyone is right about everything generally comes down to "education" which generally is more of the "this is the right thing, idiot" approach rather than trying to build up a step by step explanation of why it's correct, and it's this exact problem which allows anti-science conspiracies to flourish so easily. That's why it's so easy for conspiracy theorists to say "scientists say X but how can we know that's true?" It's not because they're irrational people, it's because we educate to them by dictating facts more than we do by explanation.
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Re: Things that made you mildly upset today thread
« Reply #7973 on: August 05, 2020, 03:42:05 pm »

I was playing Whirlygig on Fall Guys, a level I am historically bad at.

Except this time! I would’ve qualified 4th, but I got disconnected from the server right at the goddamn line.
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« Reply #7974 on: August 05, 2020, 03:45:38 pm »

Ooh, do we get to argue about different definitions of "irrational" and "belief" for three pages now?

Ah, I can tell you've seen this one before.  :P
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Re: Things that made you mildly upset today thread
« Reply #7975 on: August 05, 2020, 03:58:08 pm »

Let's mix it up and bring in the socialism and nation definition debates too!
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« Reply #7976 on: August 05, 2020, 04:03:52 pm »

Ooh, do we get to argue about different definitions of "irrational" and "belief" for three pages now?
I believe that's irrational
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« Reply #7977 on: August 05, 2020, 04:33:12 pm »

I should have been clearer--  A belief, as in, a thing that is held to be true without providence or basis in something concrete or provable.

To borrow from Reelya--

One can KNOW the earth is round by using trigonometry.  This is not a belief.
One can BELIEVE the earth is round, based on any number of unprovable things. ("The fairies said so", etc.)


Basically, if you hold something to be true, based on an assertion alone, you are espousing a belief.  Due to its nature, it is not a rational position.

Everyone has beliefs of one kind or another.  This is normal and natural.  That does not make them rational however.  Understanding that there is a difference between knowledge and belief is important, and necessary, if a person is to behave rationally (within the context of a shared objective reality) about any given subject or course of action.

Failure to delineate that there is such a distinction between the two, leads to irreconcilable conflict, and demonstrably irrational rhetoric, behavior, and policy.   

It was this last bit that spurned my initial response to Duna.  The people in his religious community hold a set of beliefs that are clearly in contradiction with the greater shared objective reality (the conservative party has been caught bald-faced  lying, and literally with their pants down doing very unbiblical things repeatedly-- yet they cling to the notion that they are the godly party.), yet they continue to act and behave as if that was not the case. They do this, because they have refused to delineate between knowledge (which deals exclusively with things that are potentially falsifiable but have withstood all means of doing so-- In this circumstance, it could well have been some slander applied to the party-- but multiple independent investigators, working the events in question simultaneously from multiple angles, all found evidence that shows that wrongdoing was on the part of the conservative politicians, and not on some slanderer--), and belief (assertion of somethings' truthfulness without any such rigor.)  In such circumstances, revealing the falsity of the belief is like asserting the falsity of a fact for the person on the other end of the discussion. The actions they undertake "make sense", if and only if, the subject of the belief is presumed to be true.

As a bit of a tortured example--

Say a person gets drunk, and loses their keys.  Their memory is totally compromised-- They do not actually remember much of anything after a certain point in the night. They have vague notions that they emptied their pockets in the livingroom.  Over the course of the day, they search fruitlessly in the livingroom for their keys and never find them. (This is because they actually took them out of their pocket in dining room.) A friend comes by, and notes that the individual has basically ransacked their livingroom looking for their keys.  Their friend politely suggests that they try looking in other rooms too-- but gets told no, "I totally set them down in the living room, they have to be in here somewhere."

It can get even more hairy, if the friend was their designated driver, and was the one who drove them home.  They could have witnessed the keys being taken out of the pocket in the dining room the night before. The individual searching futilely for the keys still adamantly insists that the keys are in the living room, they remember taking them out in the living room, they must be in the living room.


It could be contended that the person looking for the keys is still perfectly rational (**IF** the precondition of their having removed their keys in the living **WAS** true, then the keys should indeed be there), but is engaged in a completely irrational exploit, based on a belief (They do not actually have real knowledge of where they removed their keys-- There is no way to demonstrate conditional's factualness or falsity.) 






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« Reply #7978 on: August 05, 2020, 04:50:47 pm »

The thing is, plenty of people say they KNOW their religion is true based on concrete things. Cosmological argument, claimed miracles (not including prayer because that's usually made unfalsifiable, and thus non-concrete), etc. Would that make it not a belief, even if the alleged connection to reality doesn't actually check out (disconfirmed miracles, cosmological argument not actually being valid)?
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« Reply #7979 on: August 05, 2020, 05:06:21 pm »

See my edit.
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