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[Antioch]

VVD smallest winner in history, with 21% of the votes.

At least 4 parties are needed to form a coalition.

so, uh VVD, D66, CDA and something else to fill up the remaining 7 seats needed?


Also that Erdogan lover Kuzu with his DENK party got 3 seats according to the exit polls.....

[Pwnzerfaust]

Why not coalition with PVV?

[ChairmanPoo]

Over half of European Muslims hold views that would be counted as "radical" or "fundamentalist". I'd say that's more than just "a few bad actors". It seems a better statement would be, "A few good apples don't save a rotten bunch".

Yeah, they're currently about as radical and fundamentalist as the Catholic church was in Medieval Europe, Spanish Inquisition and all that. Which is why it seems like Islam is in need of it's own version of the Reformation.

You're working under the mistaken pretence of the reformation resulting in less fanaticism rather than more

[Lord_lemonpie]

Why not coalition with PVV?

VVD has said multiple times they would not even consider working together with the PVV.

[wobbly]

Good to see the dutch still retain some sanity

[Lord_lemonpie]

Good to see the dutch still retain some sanity

Only a little.

[wobbly]

You take what you can get these days

[scriver]

Over half of European Muslims hold views that would be counted as "radical" or "fundamentalist". I'd say that's more than just "a few bad actors". It seems a better statement would be, "A few good apples don't save a rotten bunch".

Yeah, they're currently about as radical and fundamentalist as the Catholic church was in Medieval Europe, Spanish Inquisition and all that. Which is why it seems like Islam is in need of it's own version of the Reformation.

You're working under the mistaken pretence of the reformation resulting in less fanaticism rather than more

I was thinking the same. The cultural phenomena to thank for secularism in the west today is the Enlightenment, not Reformation. Reformed churches wasn't exactly less totalitarian or zealous than medieval Catholicism, that's why so many of those freereligious congregations had to flee to the Americas.

[smjjames]

Why not coalition with PVV?

VVD has said multiple times they would not even consider working together with the PVV.

I've heard that none of the other groups want to form a coalition with PVV (Geert Wilders group).

Also, if Geert Wilders only wants memberships to be him only, then how does the party still have other politicians in it? Sounds like the guy wants to be a one-man party, but still allows others to run on the platform? Kind of contradictory and/or confusing.

[Alastar]

Judaism, Christianity, Islam... same god, mostly the same tradition. Same religion really.
Whatever improbable things one believes in (and I'm including secular ones) doesn't make one civilised or barbaric. Among other things, how one deals with deeply held beliefs and those who disagree does.

[Pwnzerfaust]

Judaism, Christianity, Islam... same god, mostly the same tradition. Same religion really.
Whatever improbable things one believes in (and I'm including secular ones) doesn't make one civilised or barbaric. Among other things, how one deals with deeply held beliefs and those who disagree does.

I disagree. Believing people should be killed for apostasy is barbaric. Believing women should be subjugated by men is barbaric. Believing that any one who depicts your prophet should be killed is barbaric.

[Wolfhunter107]

You mean to say that the majority of Muslims believe all of those things?

[ChairmanPoo]

Scrutiny at 50%

VVD-ALDE: 21.5%
PVV-ENF 13%
CDA-EPP 12.5%
D66-ALDE 11.9%
GL-G/EFA 9.3%
SP-LEFT 9.3%

[Pwnzerfaust]

You mean to say that the majority of Muslims believe all of those things?

Yes, a majority of Muslims hold one or more of those beliefs. There are polls of Muslims in Europe that show it. Am typing on phone so I can't get the data right this moment.

[smjjames]

You mean to say that the majority of Muslims believe all of those things?

Yes, a majority of Muslims hold one or more of those beliefs. There are polls of Muslims in Europe that show it. Am typing on phone so I can't get the data right this moment.

Those polls in Europe would only poll those IN Europe, you'd have to get polls of Muslims from MANY different countries to get a real picture of it.

Also, this needs to be bulldozed into the religion thread.