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[BorkBorkGoesTheCode]

So basically Europe doesn't think America is powerful anymore, so they want Russian overlords?

Russia has an economy the size of Italy, or at least, that's what I've heard, so I don't know exactly how would Russia be "overlording" over Europe, which has, what, five times the population and even more of that in terms of financial and industrial advantages?

I'm genuinely curious about it, because I thought that economy was the deciding factor in these sort of power games... but apparently, it's not?

I did not say that. Thank you for reminding me about the wisdom of avoiding the shitpost.

Perceived strength is more important than actual strength.

[Detoxicated]

Wasnt wilders in a position of power and how would you call his movement if not fascistoid or alt right?

[martinuzz]

Nope, technically Wilders was never in a position of power, his party has never been in government coalition, always in opposition. Although, like I said, there was one government coalition that relied on Wilders' opposition party giving support to it's plans to achieve majority. What I meant with a 'coalition endorsing opposition party'. Which didn't last long, as that government fell and we had new elections (in which Wilders' party lost a huge amount of votes and went back to being a marginal party for a while. It's been trending up again since the refugee crisis and Paris attacks).

And yes, his movement is populist alt right. I never said it wasn't.

[Detoxicated]

I am glad your beautiful country has not succumbed to the forces of wilders.
Thx for clearing that up for me

[Sheb]

'Succumbed to the forces of wilders', christ.

Meanwhile we have Merkel going for a fourth term, ready to flip-flop for the third time about multiculturalism being the best thing since sliced bread.

Given that multiculturalism is so ill-defined a term, that's not surprising.

[smjjames]

Major political developments in France:

New favourite to become French President, Francois Fillon, wants to drag Russia back into the European fold. Stop it sliding towards Asia

Spoiler: 2016 WTF stop doing this (click to show/hide)

Francois Fillon, set to pull off stunning upset in French conservative primary tonight, favored fighting ISIL alongside Russia, Iran, Assad

Spoiler: he has also met with Putin in person (click to show/hide)

Seems like all that Le Pen's Russian support was just a strategic ruse, deflecting all attention from real Putin's candidate.

Is this how the end of Euro-Atlanticism looks like?

EDIT: Apparently, there's also this:

From Fillion's site using Google Translate:
4. A sovereign trade policy that protects our interests
- Reject European decisions going against the economic interests of France as the sanctions against Russia that seriously affect our businesses.
- Propose a new EU / Russia trade partnership that would offer our businesses new opportunities.

So much for "annexation of Crimea will forever alienate Russia from Europe".

So basically Europe doesn't think America is powerful anymore, so they want Russian overlords?

It's more that the liberal world order that's been in place since the end of WWII is cracking, for pretty much the same reason all over the place.

[BorkBorkGoesTheCode]

Major political developments in France:

New favourite to become French President, Francois Fillon, wants to drag Russia back into the European fold. Stop it sliding towards Asia

Spoiler: 2016 WTF stop doing this (click to show/hide)

Francois Fillon, set to pull off stunning upset in French conservative primary tonight, favored fighting ISIL alongside Russia, Iran, Assad

Spoiler: he has also met with Putin in person (click to show/hide)

Seems like all that Le Pen's Russian support was just a strategic ruse, deflecting all attention from real Putin's candidate.

Is this how the end of Euro-Atlanticism looks like?

EDIT: Apparently, there's also this:

From Fillion's site using Google Translate:
4. A sovereign trade policy that protects our interests
- Reject European decisions going against the economic interests of France as the sanctions against Russia that seriously affect our businesses.
- Propose a new EU / Russia trade partnership that would offer our businesses new opportunities.

So much for "annexation of Crimea will forever alienate Russia from Europe".

So basically Europe doesn't think America is powerful anymore, so they want Russian overlords?

It's more that the liberal world order that's been in place since the end of WWII is cracking, for pretty much the same reason all over the place.

Nonshitpost: because it isn't based on liberalism in the first place?

[Sergarr]

UK seems to be going full Big Brother mode:

...

The fact that you’re on this website is – potentially – state knowledge. Service providers must now store details of everything you do online for 12 months – and make it accessible to dozens of public authorities

...

Under the guise of counter-terrorism, the British state has achieved totalitarian-style surveillance powers – the most intrusive system of any democracy in history. It now has the ability to indiscriminately hack, intercept, record, and monitor the communications and internet use of the entire population.

I mean, British government was already kind of creepy, with CCTV cameras everywhere in London, but this is on a whole another level of what-the-fuck shit that is supposed to be reserved for fictional cyberpunk dictators only.

[smjjames]

I forget if the Independent is one of those tabloidish British newspapers. I know the Daily Mail is, but not sure what others.

[Grim Portent]

It sort of is, there's not a lot of good newspapers left in the UK, but I think it's meant to be one of somewhat better ones in that regard.

The news doesn't surprise me though, the Conservatives have never exactly been pro-internet freedoms.

[Wolfhunter107]

Trump is still trying to fight the Scottish wind turbines.

[smjjames]

Trump is still trying to fight the Scottish wind turbines.

Trump is still trying to fight the Scottish wind turbines.

He's going to have to drop that when he gets inaugurated because 'conflicts of interest'.

[Loud Whispers]

It sort of is, there's not a lot of good newspapers left in the UK, but I think it's meant to be one of somewhat better ones in that regard.

The news doesn't surprise me though, the Conservatives have never exactly been pro-internet freedoms.

The Guardian, the Times, FT, and the magazines are the dankest newspapers left in the UK (not counting local newspapers, just because I can't say I know them all at all). Print media is becoming second place to digital media, where stuff like the magazines that can cater to a smaller but reliable subscription base readership can stay afloat whilst newspapers sort of dwindle in significance

The Independent was one of the best newspapers in the world (not being sarcastic) until they recently got bought out and "modernized", becoming another buzzfeed. Needless to say its quality declined precipitously in favour of being partisan, hip, edgy and cool

So basically Europe doesn't think America is powerful anymore, so they want Russian overlords?

Russia has an economy the size of Italy, or at least, that's what I've heard, so I don't know exactly how would Russia be "overlording" over Europe, which has, what, five times the population and even more of that in terms of financial and industrial advantages?
I'm genuinely curious about it, because I thought that economy was the deciding factor in these sort of power games... but apparently, it's not?

Money isn't power, power is power
It's also unsurprising that money isn't the deciding factor on the international scale, since on the national scale people are saying money is secondary these days to stuff

whole lot of stuff

[Detoxicated]

It sort of is, there's not a lot of good newspapers left in the UK, but I think it's meant to be one of somewhat better ones in that regard.

The news doesn't surprise me though, the Conservatives have never exactly been pro-internet freedoms.

The Guardian, the Times, FT, and the magazines are the dankest newspapers left in the UK (not counting local newspapers, just because I can't say I know them all at all). Print media is becoming second place to digital media, where stuff like the magazines that can cater to a smaller but reliable subscription base readership can stay afloat whilst newspapers sort of dwindle in significance

The Independent was one of the best newspapers in the world (not being sarcastic) until they recently got bought out and "modernized", becoming another buzzfeed. Needless to say its quality declined precipitously in favour of being partisan, hip, edgy and cool

So basically Europe doesn't think America is powerful anymore, so they want Russian overlords?

Russia has an economy the size of Italy, or at least, that's what I've heard, so I don't know exactly how would Russia be "overlording" over Europe, which has, what, five times the population and even more of that in terms of financial and industrial advantages?
I'm genuinely curious about it, because I thought that economy was the deciding factor in these sort of power games... but apparently, it's not?

Money isn't power, power is power
It's also unsurprising that money isn't the deciding factor on the international scale, since on the national scale people are saying money is secondary these days to stuff

whole lot of stuff

Who says money is secondary?

[smjjames]

Nigel Farage is planning on moving to the US, and no, I'm not trolling you guys, honest .

Maybe he'll become the US ambassador to Britian, I dunno. lol.