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[Sheb]

Were the guys who committed the arson Muslims who weren't practicing the fast, Christians, Atheists, Cultists of Cthulhu or what? The article doesn't seem to say but it strikes me as interesting to find out why tensions were bad enough that 'small' meal portions set them off.

Although for all we know it was all a kerkuffle and they toppled some candles. I mean, we don't know that they intended to burn the whole thing down yet.

I should really read LW's links before postings:
"Police and prosecutors said Wednesday that one of the two 26-year-olds was seen pouring flammable liquid onto a mattress and setting fire to it, while the other told fellow residents: "We had to do it so that things change."
An argument over food is believed to have preceded Tuesday's fire. Muslims who weren't observing dawn-to-dusk fasting during Ramadan had complained about what they said was a small lunch."

[scriver]

Also, apparently that refugee center fire was neither ISIS nor Nazis.

What the heck.

What are you wthecking over?

[Loud Whispers]

Tbh rioting over no ramadan wine is perfectly acceptable protest
Burning down your own house is self-defeating
Not much more else to say

[Sheb]

Also, apparently that refugee center fire was neither ISIS nor Nazis.

What the heck.

What are you wthecking over?

I dunno, do you routinely burn down your residence when you don't like your food?

___

LW, I was wondering. How come you even know about stuff such as that Commission-IT company deal? Do you spend time every day reading commission press release? Because that crap seems to have been very little reported on, so if you have a new outlet that cover those things, I'm interested.

[Antsan]

Also, apparently that refugee center fire was neither ISIS nor Nazis.

What the heck.

What are you wthecking over?

What is there in this that is not to heck over? Setting fire to something because your meal is too small – what is that supposed to accomplish? I just don't get it. It doesn't make sense. How is that supposed to get them more food?

[Sergarr]

Also, apparently that refugee center fire was neither ISIS nor Nazis.

What the heck.

What are you wthecking over?

What is there in this that is not to heck over? Setting fire to something because your meal is too small – what is that supposed to accomplish? I just don't get it. It doesn't make sense. How is that supposed to get them more food?

I suppose they think that Europe is filthy rich and thus, if they beg it hard enough (and self-immolation sounds like a pretty hardcore begging method), they will give them anything they ask, free of charge.

tl;dr: they are leeches

[Loud Whispers]

LW, I was wondering. How come you even know about stuff such as that Commission-IT company deal? Do you spend time every day reading commission press release? Because that crap seems to have been very little reported on, so if you have a new outlet that cover those things, I'm interested.

I don't have a news outlet that covers this crap sadly. Also this is basically my replacement for entertainment, since current fiction is fucking shite, but current year is fucking tubular - you could put the stuff that happens on TV and people would call it out for being unrealistic

What is there in this that is not to heck over? Setting fire to something because your meal is too small – what is that supposed to accomplish? I just don't get it. It doesn't make sense. How is that supposed to get them more food?

Build a man a fire, he'll be warm for a day. Teach that man how to build a fire, he'll make Duesseldorf pay

[Sheb]

Also, apparently that refugee center fire was neither ISIS nor Nazis.

What the heck.

What are you wthecking over?

What is there in this that is not to heck over? Setting fire to something because your meal is too small – what is that supposed to accomplish? I just don't get it. It doesn't make sense. How is that supposed to get them more food?

I suppose they think that Europe is filthy rich and thus, if they beg it hard enough (and self-immolation sounds like a pretty hardcore begging method), they will give them anything they ask, free of charge.

tl;dr: they are leeches

That was arson, not self-immolation. He could have killed people.

[Antsan]

I suppose they think that Europe is filthy rich and thus, if they beg it hard enough (and self-immolation sounds like a pretty hardcore begging method), they will give them anything they ask, free of charge.

tl;dr: they are leeches

1. See Sheb. If anything, this was an attempt at duress or blackmail, don't know the difference.
2. Two refugees being loud leeches is going to be used as "proof" that refugees generally are leeches, absurdly enough also and probably dominantly by people who live their life by being leeches, if the Pegida movement is indicative of that demographic.

[Loud Whispers]

1. See Sheb. If anything, this was an attempt at duress or blackmail, don't know the difference.
2. Two refugees being loud leeches is going to be used as "proof" that refugees generally are leeches, absurdly enough also and probably dominantly by people who live their life by being leeches, if the Pegida movement is indicative of that demographic.

That's because they're portrayed as the dumb dumb, thus they attract the dumb dumb - if they wanted proof they'd just present proof on how Germany has a net loss on migrants and is getting rekt on their tax base, their unemployment rate and their sides (they are already in orbit)

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

The hall was destroyed at a major Duesseldorf convention centre close to the city's airport. Damage has been estimated at €10m ($11m; £8m).

The hall was acting as an accommodation hub for men mainly from Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan and North Africa who were waiting to be sent elsewhere in the state of North Rhine-Westphalia.
'We had to do it'

Both Muslims and Christians were living there. Some 7,000 refugees and migrants are currently being housed in Duesseldorf, officials told Germany's DPA news agency.

Germany saw an influx of more than 1.1 million refugees and migrants in 2015 and although the number of arrivals has fallen, officials face a huge task in processing hundreds of thousands of asylum claims.

When Ramadan started the situation reportedly became worse, and staff at the site were spat at and pelted with shoes.

A late evening meal was introduced for Muslims observing Ramadan and one group of men not taking part in the fast complained that their meals were not big enough. "We're looking at this as the motive," an investigator said.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36487781

I dunno if the investigator is lying, seems stupid enough to be true

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

 Witnesses reported that there had been recurring tensions between followers of different religions in the Red Cross-run facility.

"During this time of Ramadan, there was one group that wanted to strictly observe the fast, and another that insisted on the usual timetables and usual servings," said Ralf Herrenbrück, spokesman for the prosecutors service.

"This had led on several occasions to disputes and altercations with officials of the German Red Cross," he said in an interview with public broadcaster WDR.

"It got to the point where threats were made over what would happen if things didn't change, and that one threat was obviously implemented."

Since the start of the year, police had been called 89 times to the 6,000-square-metre hall, which was formerly part of the city's congress centre, reports said.
http://www.thelocal.de/20160609/ramadan-row-behind-fire-at-dsseldorf-refugee-shelter

Germany wth

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Fights between Arabs on one side and Iranians and Afghans on the other side were almost commonplace.

The security people in the home should be mostly also been Iranians.

According to several Moroccan-burly refugees they had yesterday morning the Arabs not deliberately aroused the Ramadan breakfast. Then, the plan of arson had been forged.
www.express.de/duesseldorf/exklusiv-fluechtlingsheim-in-duesseldorf--verdaechtiger-prahlt-mit-video-von-den-flammen-24187430-seite2

Iranian security guards may not have woken up the Moroccans and the other ones for Ramadan, if this german express news people are correct, "It was just a prank bro" caused the fire

Alternatively

[Antsan]

1. See Sheb. If anything, this was an attempt at duress or blackmail, don't know the difference.
2. Two refugees being loud leeches is going to be used as "proof" that refugees generally are leeches, absurdly enough also and probably dominantly by people who live their life by being leeches, if the Pegida movement is indicative of that demographic.

That's because they're portrayed as the dumb dumb, thus they attract the dumb dumb - if they wanted proof they'd just present proof on how Germany has a net loss on migrants and is getting rekt on their tax base, their unemployment rate and their sides (they are already in orbit)

Well, if it's about that kind of leeching I simply have no sympathy for people who think that's a good reason not to take in refugees. It's kind of a problem that has been long in the making, and our governments are still involved in the kind of idiocy that caused this crisis in the first place.

[Loud Whispers]

Well, if it's about that kind of leeching I simply have no sympathy for people who think that's a good reason not to take in refugees. It's kind of a problem that has been long in the making, and our governments are still involved in the kind of idiocy that caused this crisis in the first place.

1. Is there a difference in leeching, if so what is it
Is the difference that the guys setting their free stuff on fire are the same just ungrateful? Or is it that they turned their ungratefulness into arson? Or was it more government fuckups by putting the people the refugees ran away from in power? All of the above? Other? Condemnation and opposition is easy but defining beyond platitudes makes for a jokes thread into a discussion thread

If it's the whole paying less than you take thing, I'd draw a difference between those who have no intention to work and those who just have a shitty low paid job/can't find one that doesn't provide as much in taxes. Seems unfair to the latter to say they're leeching if they're caught between a rock and a hard place due to blowing all their cash on a trip to Germany only to find there aren't jobs in Germany they can take

To be fair on leeches as well, leeches are very hard working predators and they don't start fires, the comparisons aren't apt
btw have a pet leech
AND LEECH TRACKING!

2. What idiocy is the bundestag involved in that they should be avoiding/undoing
3. What happens when Germans die off and dependent must become provider
4. Do you believe Germans have a choice in taking in refugees

[Antsan]

1. Is there a difference in leeching, if so what is it

The difference is between being unable to give back and being unable to give back. Pointing to how much refugees will cost us until 2020 is ignoring that most of that is probably due to the former, not the latter.

2. What idiocy is the bundestag involved in that they should be avoiding/undoing

Supporting Turkey Erdogan.
Supporting Saudi Arabia.
Exporting weapons.
Exporting profit-oriented organizations disguised as aid officials to struggling countries.
Support land alienation of local populations by multinational companies.
You know, the kind of stuff that destabilizes regions. There's probably more to list here.

3. What happens when Germans die off and dependent must become provider

I don't know. Depends on how well we do that whole "integration" thing.

4. Do you believe Germans have a choice in taking in refugees

Nope. They're coming either way. I want this to happen with the least amount of friction.

[scriver]

Also, apparently that refugee center fire was neither ISIS nor Nazis.

What the heck.

What are you wthecking over?

What is there in this that is not to heck over? Setting fire to something because your meal is too small – what is that supposed to accomplish? I just don't get it. It doesn't make sense. How is that supposed to get them more food?

I asked because up here, "refugees" wrecking their own housing establishments is almost routine news by now. I can think of four riots just off hand (and I have not been keeping any eye out for these kind of events), one which was instigated by a man not being allowed out to buy candy after the evening curfew and wrecked the whole housing. I wouldn't think for a moment that this is not the case in Germany also.

I suppose they think that Europe is filthy rich and thus, if they beg it hard enough (and self-immolation sounds like a pretty hardcore begging method), they will give them anything they ask, free of charge.

They do have unrealistic expectations, yes.

[Vilanat]

4. Do you believe Germans have a choice in taking in refugees

Nope. They're coming either way. I want this to happen with the least amount of friction.

The least amount of friction is the worst possible thing that can happen to Europe. They are not going to give up their culture, traditions and way of life so if there is only little friction, it only means Europe gives up its own.