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[Teneb]

Teneb:

8 town, 2 mafia, 2 cult, outsider, town-ally.

I am going to take a guess that both NPCs are town. We had 2 mafia at the end of the last day. The second cult member can be explained by a conversion in the night, since the NPCs certainly were not in play then. Hector is the confirmed outsider and tumbleweed is the town-ally.

I guess the question is if the NPCs are disruptive like Ragshake or not.

Guessing whether the NPCs are whatever is irrelevant; they are based on ROLES which is why they exist. Could I ask why you're rolling into that tangent? :O

Could I also ask you your main overview of the game thus far?

The tangent was figuring out if they were anti-town (in behaviour, if not in wincon).

My overview is that it is going to be a pain for anyone to win. I expect a long, long game.

Furthermore, we need to find a way to completely remove this role from the game:

Mandatory Shakeragian Shenanigans
(Auto) You cannot win while...: If any team or player would win, the first person who died who's living would prevent that victory is resurected. They retain their access to the dead-chat.
(Auto) ...this role is in play: This role functions even if it's owner is dead.

It belonged to NQT.

While looking at NQT's votes, I realized that he was killed by OSG. NQT had this role:

Shakerag
(Auto) You are Shakerag: Any abilities that only function when targeting Shakerag, or that automatically target Shakerag, affect you too.
(Night) I'm 'a chargin' my Shaker!: Gain a Rag Token. You start with 0 Rag Tokens.

And OSG had an ability (taken by me in D3) that exclusively targets Shakerag (with a kill, block or redirect (chosen by user)).

This is further confirmed by Shakerag's comment here, that seems to imply that there was a kill attempt on him.

Eat me, spectators.

Sure, I could be wrong, but I find that unlikely.

[TheDarkStar]

TDS: Has a kill. He basically asked us to lynch him D1, so now we think he's unlynchable. Not sure if anyone tried to kill him. It's possible he has a role that makes him unlynchable on D1, however.

Only two posts so far today are about the new NPC's. And not too important posts either. I think he's scummy. He's got us to think that he's unlynchable, which is huge for scum (and not exactly huge for town, why town want to waste a lynch like that).

TDS: I'd like to know what those other things you prevent from happening are.

The important powers/autos I have are these: preventing anyone from winning, lynch and kill immunity, forcing accurate roleflips, and allowing spectator kills (and I think this might have caused you to see that I have a kill. Either that or the Box of Orden). Also I can roleblock a bunch of times (but only once) and I can do some silly things with other people's night actions.

[FallacyofUrist]

I'm probably going to get an infraction for this post, considering that I'm dead-
BUT THAT WON'T MATTER
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Tiruin: Recall my role, Eevee, which caused any kill targeted at me to be randomly redirected. I think you're mafia that tried shooting me. Since I'm dead, this vote is a bit symbolic, but it gets the point across, yes/no?
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What happened the night I died: Someone gave me another copy of the HORRIBLE ROLE(the role that flabort gives to people who have annoyed him) the previous night, and as such I couldn't use other night actions- including Dodge. Splat. I attempted to give both of my copies of the HORRIBLE ROLE to TolyK, but only one of that action succeeded, the other... got turned into a kill, randomized, then turned into a protect.
Freaky, that.
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Also, I was the one who resurrected Deus Asmoth.
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It's worth noting that if the mafia would win via endgame, I'm probably going to be the player resurrected.
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I still have one copy of the HORRIBLE ROLE, unfortunately. That means I cannot win.
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It does potentially make a horrible exploit possible, however.
It all depends on the definition of a spectator.
If a player cannot win the game, cannot act, basically cannot participate... that player may as well count as a spectator, yes?

7) Can dead players take non-targeted actions?

Also this. I'd like this question answered.
So my question is this: If a player/NPC got four infractions, could I replace in for that player?
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Sure, maybe not... but it's worth a shot.
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A note to all players: I have a non-shotted resurrect. Could somebody(perhaps the person with A Necromancer With a Jetpack and a Bazooka) revive me? For the good of the town(and me, I want to ditch the win jammer)?
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My role submissions were as thus:
Age of Mythology: Nidhogg
Dwarf Druid Fiery Doublevoting Zombie Ninja Pirate Robot Doctor Spiderman Shakerag Mummy Dinosaur Supreme King Of Everything Necromancer Psychologist Samurai Witch Doctor Medium Ghastly Creeping Vine Master Weapons Salesman Vampire Cultist Jester Time Lord Paladin Duelist Fireman CPR Instructor Santa Claus Plot Manipulator Soulbound Quicktopic Maker Flabort's Nightmare Dude
Necromancer with a Jetpack and a Bazooka
The Role That Creates a "Shakerag's Evil Twin" NPC
The Role That Forces All Roleflips Upon Death To Be Utterly Complete
The Role That Adds Dwarf Fortress Mechanics To the Game
The Role That Adds The Three Boxes of Orden To the Game
Dog's Best Friend
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I'm still not sure why I submitted some of these.
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Please? Resurrect me?
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Also, another question: What happens when a dead player gets 4 infractions? What happens when a dead player gets 6 infractions?
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Also, it would be nice if the players who haven't posted for a while post.
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Sargent: If you resurrect me, I'll join your squad as a recruit. Sound fair?

[TolyK]

Well then.

Necromancer with a Jetpack and a Bazooka

I think we found the reviver.

I'm still not sure why I submitted some of these.

Uh-huh.

Either way, this is basically what happens with the infraction system, Flabort. :>

@Fallacy about infractions: Then you've ruined the game.

"Ruined" is sort-of a strong word here. He hasn't given game-breaking info, or ratted out teammares or anything. Plus, if I had lived through, I'd add him to a merry little chat as well.

[TolyK]

I've also realized that I haven't answered some questions/comments. There ended up a lot of them, so I'll answer them tomorrow morning. Quickie tho: 4maskwolf "hunch" was that he was faking his alignment inspection role, but it currently seems legitimate to me. I am still town, still can't do anything b/c of the garbage roles, not sure if I'm still killable tho.

[Tawa]

Hi, everyone! I've been "occupied" these last few days (read: I forgot this existed :v), but I'm back now.

I can easily rule out that Tawarochir is NOT the cult leader because I did something to him last night. :V Do you feel lucky like that? Well do you, punk?
Tawarochir -- lacking posts/content to develop an experiential read; is not the cult leader as far as I know what happened since my action was successful on him.
Tawarochir: What did you do last night? I'd like to know because I checked up on you--and your unconventional ability.

I haven't been keeping up with the game much, but flabort prompted me to do something last night. I remembered there was a lot of suspicion on TolyK so I used a power of mine on him; it was late and I was too tired to check the thread for updates on his status. I'll explain about the power in a moment.

Tawa: Poofed. Either lurking or blocked. I'd say lurking since there's no reason to block him - we want more content. So... I dunno. We'll see if he shows up.

I'm here! Again, sorry for my inactivity.
So, anyway. The power I used was judgement. It kills somebody if they kill anybody. It can't be prevented. Sorry, Tir, but you did nothing. Not sure where TolyK stands at the moment, but he didn't kill anybody last night.
DA. What. What? Random chance? Why?
Day action: Eat notquitethere's soul.

For everybody's information: I have a power from submitting Flabort as a role that lets me eat a dead player's soul. By doing this, I prevent his revival and get one of his powers. Can't hurt to permanently remove a mafioso, right?

I'll try to post something more cohesive later, I'm a little occupied right now.

[Tiruin]

When I pondered on a MASSCLAIM, I also asked about ACTIONS. People were  about the MASSCLAIM, but then there were subtle references to ACTIONS [Hey DA.]
Now people are MASSCLAIMING, but then no ACTIONS.
:V

Now that I think about it, DA was killed D1 and Tiruin had the only daykill (it says on the role it is the only daykill, if you are wondering), so...

Tiruin: Why did you daykill DA in D1?

Tiruin: Recall my role, Eevee, which caused any kill targeted at me to be randomly redirected. I think you're mafia that tried shooting me. Since I'm dead, this vote is a bit symbolic, but it gets the point across, yes/no?

Tiruin can has facepalms?

Substantial proof that people don't read -_- or are being deliberately obfuscating.

Teneb: I linked the EVERYTHING with kills/deaths/whatever <<<< here. Please tell me what led you to posting that.
I also ensured that Shakerag's confirming-ming was linked so everyone could see (upon the notice from other peeps in the post linked there).
@_@ You ok DS? I'm suspecting this is a RL thingy that popped up given the...information blackout being the content of your posts.

Furthermore, we need to find a way to completely remove this role from the game:

Mandatory Shakeragian Shenanigans
(Auto) You cannot win while...: If any team or player would win, the first person who died who's living would prevent that victory is resurected. They retain their access to the dead-chat.
(Auto) ...this role is in play: This role functions even if it's owner is dead.

It belonged to NQT.

I'm at least happy to see that despite missing my posts, there's something that goes parallel to a query I asked earlier :V [because I feel ignored and such]

This is further confirmed by Shakerag's comment here, that seems to imply that there was a kill attempt on him.

Eat me, spectators.

Sure, I could be wrong, but I find that unlikely.

Shaekrag is right there. I believe it is better to talk to the person rather than bring up what he says with unclear or vague content. Which is something Shakerag should acknowledge

FoU: How the fish are you even alive or being able to post when you're not even in the Flabort List Roster? Flabort, confirm please.
If you can recall--I already posted what I did N2; if you can do better than throw out an assumption plus a weird vote (like poking WHAT I SAID and strangely targeting me out of noooowhere :V), I'd be less exasperated than what.

TDS: I'd like to know what those other things you prevent from happening are.

TDS: Has a kill. He basically asked us to lynch him D1, so now we think he's unlynchable. Not sure if anyone tried to kill him. It's possible he has a role that makes him unlynchable on D1, however.

Only two posts so far today are about the new NPC's. And not too important posts either. I think he's scummy. He's got us to think that he's unlynchable, which is huge for scum (and not exactly huge for town, why town want to waste a lynch like that).

The important powers/autos I have are these: preventing anyone from winning, lynch and kill immunity, forcing accurate roleflips, and allowing spectator kills (and I think this might have caused you to see that I have a kill. Either that or the Box of Orden). Also I can roleblock a bunch of times (but only once) and I can do some silly things with other people's night actions.

You need to expound on that one. I kept notes and tabs on you and somehow this 'kill' immunity pops up? That's one high-powered package there with all those roles.

TDS for cult leader 2016.
TolyK

I've also realized that I haven't answered some questions/comments. There ended up a lot of them, so I'll answer them tomorrow morning. Quickie tho: 4maskwolf "hunch" was that he was faking his alignment inspection role, but it currently seems legitimate to me. I am still town, still can't do anything b/c of the garbage roles, not sure if I'm still killable tho.

I still wish to know 'What-the-HILARITY' you and 4mask were vaguepoking each other there for.

P.S. It goes both ways.

EXTEND.

So, anyway. The power I used was judgement. It kills somebody if they kill anybody. It can't be prevented. Sorry, Tir, but you did nothing. Not sure where TolyK stands at the moment, but he didn't kill anybody last night.

Spoiler: Excuse me but (click to show/hide)

Tawarochir, your action is a KILL. I have word that my roleblock worked and yet it is also an unconventional roleblock. It is a roleblock that blocks the target from using any abilities that are NOT Kill/Doctor/Cop/Roleblock/Jailkeep.

You've got some 'splaining to do, punk. That is obviously a kill action, and it is obviously written in Flabort^TM that the block was successful.

Being "can't be prevented" is not an alibi in this case, which I scrutinizingly poured over in reading that one ability.

Massclaim later because PFP and I've to dig through my PMs over days of other PMs here.

[Tiruin]

Flabort -- connected to my poke on FoU back there...

Spoiler: I believe his post is entirely unwarranted by bounds of rules of the game, even if not mentioned in the OP...seriously. He's dead, first of all. Then this post comes up because "oh it won't matter". (click to show/hide)

I'm probably going to get an infraction for this post, considering that I'm dead-
BUT THAT WON'T MATTER
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Tiruin: Recall my role, Eevee, which caused any kill targeted at me to be randomly redirected. I think you're mafia that tried shooting me. Since I'm dead, this vote is a bit symbolic, but it gets the point across, yes/no?
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What happened the night I died: Someone gave me another copy of the HORRIBLE ROLE(the role that flabort gives to people who have annoyed him) the previous night, and as such I couldn't use other night actions- including Dodge. Splat. I attempted to give both of my copies of the HORRIBLE ROLE to TolyK, but only one of that action succeeded, the other... got turned into a kill, randomized, then turned into a protect.
Freaky, that.
~~~
Also, I was the one who resurrected Deus Asmoth.
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It's worth noting that if the mafia would win via endgame, I'm probably going to be the player resurrected.
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I still have one copy of the HORRIBLE ROLE, unfortunately. That means I cannot win.
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It does potentially make a horrible exploit possible, however.
It all depends on the definition of a spectator.
If a player cannot win the game, cannot act, basically cannot participate... that player may as well count as a spectator, yes?

7) Can dead players take non-targeted actions?

Also this. I'd like this question answered.
So my question is this: If a player/NPC got four infractions, could I replace in for that player?
~~~
Sure, maybe not... but it's worth a shot.
~~~
A note to all players: I have a non-shotted resurrect. Could somebody(perhaps the person with A Necromancer With a Jetpack and a Bazooka) revive me? For the good of the town(and me, I want to ditch the win jammer)?
~~~
My role submissions were as thus:
Age of Mythology: Nidhogg
Dwarf Druid Fiery Doublevoting Zombie Ninja Pirate Robot Doctor Spiderman Shakerag Mummy Dinosaur Supreme King Of Everything Necromancer Psychologist Samurai Witch Doctor Medium Ghastly Creeping Vine Master Weapons Salesman Vampire Cultist Jester Time Lord Paladin Duelist Fireman CPR Instructor Santa Claus Plot Manipulator Soulbound Quicktopic Maker Flabort's Nightmare Dude
Necromancer with a Jetpack and a Bazooka
The Role That Creates a "Shakerag's Evil Twin" NPC
The Role That Forces All Roleflips Upon Death To Be Utterly Complete
The Role That Adds Dwarf Fortress Mechanics To the Game
The Role That Adds The Three Boxes of Orden To the Game
Dog's Best Friend
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I'm still not sure why I submitted some of these.
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Please? Resurrect me?
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Also, another question: What happens when a dead player gets 4 infractions? What happens when a dead player gets 6 infractions?
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Also, it would be nice if the players who haven't posted for a while post.
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Sargent: If you resurrect me, I'll join your squad as a recruit. Sound fair?

As a GM, what in the world ref? What gives?

FoU if you can still bloody post, what the heck is with the subtle 'oh noooez I'm not really ded nope not matter' ONLY AT D4 when you died before D3 and you choose to only speak now?

If anyone has a blasted dead-chat power and is doing this, just ugh you guys. It's not me complaining because of the possibility of that power, but on FoU's attitude -___-
Also that's a pretty bastard ability to be able to do that.

If I'm right in reading your post: You resurrected DA on N1. N2 you resurrected Hector. Confirm?

[Tiruin]

Well then.

Necromancer with a Jetpack and a Bazooka

I think we found the reviver.

It feels so conspicuous though. Dead person comes back to post without any indication by FLABORT otherwise, dumps a load of post, overlyrespectfully asks to be revived [pls], and gives a throwaway vote without content (without context), and purely (IMO) to serve as smokescreen because I talked about my actions beforehand and they don't even get mentioned! (And somehow I get picked out of the everyone else? COME ON)

What's so annoying is the mention of previousroleflips: I'm inclined to see FoU as non-Mafia [because he flipped TOWN] but that indicates TDS note back there wherein he's the origin. His word says 'all roleflips are accurate' but what the fish. The people who recently 'revived' are acting very sporadic. <_> [And/or my annoyance and/or mood.]

[Deus Asmoth]

I asked flabort about posting while dead after I opened the box. You get one infraction for the first post and three for any subsequent ones. I didn't find out what the result of dead players getting infractions is, but presumably they can still get replaced.

[Tiruin]

Tiruin: There's no deadchat, btw.

That's what I was thinking. Looking at FoU the only method he could've actually done that is
> Newbie thoughts? [I may be revived later so it doesn't matter anyway] {Guessing he's thinking he'll just get an infraction?}
> Some player PM'd him. Now THIS requires Mod consent because I as far as I know am the only other person who can PM another player without the Mod's consent with an ability that takes action as soon as the PM is sent [obv PMing Flabort too]; never used it though.
> Some player PM'd via Flabort.
> Someone did a TOlyk-thing [Quicktopic-esque thing?]

Eh. PFPing. Going back later.

Tawa: That role seems pretty bullshit. It makes the most sense for it to be an auto (as it seems like you have to use it the same night that your target kills), but then it would kill scum every time they NK'd. So it'd be impossible for scum to win, thus game balance means that role is, overpowered. Because if there isn't a prevention for it... most of my roles are actually pretty shit, so I wouldn't know ;P

It makes sense to be an action, rather than an auto, really. If you target someone with an unblockable thing that kills them if they do kill, it's considerably more important to make that an action [maybe a one-shot].

...
Flabort: On distributing the roles, along with the base '2' roles people submitted [if they only submitted 2], did you randomly pick and roll who to send what to?

I asked flabort about posting while dead after I opened the box. You get one infraction for the first post and three for any subsequent ones. I didn't find out what the result of dead players getting infractions is, but presumably they can still get replaced.

"Oh let's post everything in giant posts for the result of one infraction" >_>
<_<
And this info isn't even being disclosed until NOW (as far as I read).
This is just.

[Teneb]

Substantial proof that people don't read -_- or are being deliberately obfuscating.

Teneb: I linked the EVERYTHING with kills/deaths/whatever <<<< here. Please tell me what led you to posting that.

I did read that. I fail to see how that refutes the fact that you killed DA during D1. You had the only daykill then and you (seemingly) killed him at random. If you can justify the kill, I may find reason to remove my vote.

Also yeah, I'm fine. Overly hot (I felt physically unwell yesterday because holy crap it was too hot), but well now that most tests (for now) are behind me.

[Tiruin]

Substantial proof that people don't read -_- or are being deliberately obfuscating.

Teneb: I linked the EVERYTHING with kills/deaths/whatever <<<< here. Please tell me what led you to posting that.

I did read that. I fail to see how that refutes the fact that you killed DA during D1. You had the only daykill then and you (seemingly) killed him at random. If you can justify the kill, I may find reason to remove my vote.

Also yeah, I'm fine. Overly hot (I felt physically unwell yesterday because holy crap it was too hot), but well now that most tests (for now) are behind me.

Can I flop now? :v
Did you read that DA opened the box and he killed himself? Please back up your facts before you push those facts to impose on others under the label of 'fact'.

Glad to know you're better.

[Teneb]

Substantial proof that people don't read -_- or are being deliberately obfuscating.

Teneb: I linked the EVERYTHING with kills/deaths/whatever <<<< here. Please tell me what led you to posting that.

I did read that. I fail to see how that refutes the fact that you killed DA during D1. You had the only daykill then and you (seemingly) killed him at random. If you can justify the kill, I may find reason to remove my vote.

Also yeah, I'm fine. Overly hot (I felt physically unwell yesterday because holy crap it was too hot), but well now that most tests (for now) are behind me.

Can I flop now? :v
Did you read that DA opened the box and he killed himself? Please back up your facts before you push those facts to impose on others under the label of 'fact'.

Glad to know you're better.

Herp fucking derp I am a moron. Kill me now.
Unvote

[Tiruin]

Herp fucking derp I am a moron. Kill me now.
Unvote

Everyone knows it's a mistake *pat pat*

But that was quiiiick.