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No (flat 0.3E/T/u, break-even times 3T, 5T, 8T, 13T, 19T) (pro: Balances T4-based agents, contra: Takes forever to break even)

6 (33.3%)

Yes (1/3 creation cost/T, break-even times 3T, 3T, 3T, 3T, 3T) (pro: 3x break-even ratio preserved, contra: Low-tier races useless)

2 (11.1%)

Yes ((tier + 1)/3, break-even times 3T, 6T, 8T, 10T, 12T) (pro: Maximizes above two's strengths? contra: Maximizes above two's weaknesses?)

9 (50%)

Yes (other scale posted in thread)

1 (5.6%)

Yes (another scale posted in thread)

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 18

[micelus]

Question: What did I use that 1 Ichor for?

[Demonic Spoon]

Drakan (Dragons) 20/20I 0/20E 10/10F

So no essence income? 

Fluff for the fluff god! Lore for the lore throne!

That's quite a literal interpretation of 'rap battle'. I love it.

Wut? No, that's just the chant to the God of Fluff.
Those who do lots of fluff tends to also be worshipers of the Fluff God.

All hail the God of Fluff, and their extra fluffy tail.

He was probably referring to the throatsinging

EDIT: Micelus, could you add magic systems to the librarium?

[tntey]

Oh this is back on cool!

[Stirk]

Azem has created two of three units of Enki ordered by Eid. (Azem: -2E)

Why only two out of three? He has 6 Actions and it only costs 2 Actions per unit.

Its possible he lost them, due to editing his post.

Question: What did I use that 1 Ichor for?

That was probably meant to be me  . Phonoi is one above you, and did use 1 Ichor in the last tick.

[Demonic Spoon]

((Lolwhat? We're bronze age. Bronze age people had both pulleys and rope. That combined with smarts+3 means dragons can probably work something out))

((There is a difference between "Having pulleys available" and "Having pulleys that can pull tons of material up 20+miles every day with no issues"))

That's a fair point.

Several things:

The pulley system does not need to reach the entire distance in one go. It can be done in stretches with platforms inbetween.
Gravity may act weirdly, since I believe people on the inner surface experience downwards pull to the crust and people on the outwards surface also experience downward pull to the crust, as such the engineering difficulties may possibly be less due to having to handle less weight.
Pulleys and weights was just a suggestion. Ultimately, they could just make a massive ramp if they wanted to.
What does realism have to do with anything when I have magic dragons?
Either way I don't expect them to complete it immediately. I should probably edit my post to clarify that.

[Stirk]

((Lolwhat? We're bronze age. Bronze age people had both pulleys and rope. That combined with smarts+3 means dragons can probably work something out))

((There is a difference between "Having pulleys available" and "Having pulleys that can pull tons of material up 20+miles every day with no issues"))

That's a fair point.

Several things:

The pulley system does not need to reach the entire distance in one go. It can be done in stretches with platforms inbetween.
Gravity may act weirdly, since I believe people on the inner surface experience downwards pull to the crust and people on the outwards surface also experience downward pull to the crust, as such the engineering difficulties may possibly be less due to having to handle less weight.
What does realism have to do with anything when I have magic dragons?
Either way I don't expect them to complete it immediately. I should probably edit my post to clarify that.

1. We are still talking about thousands of platforms and stretches, done with bronze-age technology. This isn't exactly a safe, efficient, or reliable system. If one went down, the entire thing would be down, and the resources necessary would be staggering.
2. It might, but it is unlikely to help much. Lets not think about how Hallowcore's gravity works.
3. Realism is justice.

[Demonic Spoon]

((Lolwhat? We're bronze age. Bronze age people had both pulleys and rope. That combined with smarts+3 means dragons can probably work something out))

((There is a difference between "Having pulleys available" and "Having pulleys that can pull tons of material up 20+miles every day with no issues"))

That's a fair point.

Several things:

The pulley system does not need to reach the entire distance in one go. It can be done in stretches with platforms inbetween.
Gravity may act weirdly, since I believe people on the inner surface experience downwards pull to the crust and people on the outwards surface also experience downward pull to the crust, as such the engineering difficulties may possibly be less due to having to handle less weight.
What does realism have to do with anything when I have magic dragons?
Either way I don't expect them to complete it immediately. I should probably edit my post to clarify that.

1. We are still talking about thousands of platforms and stretches, done with bronze-age technology. This isn't exactly a safe, efficient, or reliable system. If one went down, the entire thing would be down, and the resources necessary would be staggering.

That's fine with me! Horribly complicated and ludicrously expensive systems are fun. I am a demanding god.

2. It might, but it is unlikely to help much. Lets not think about how Hallowcore's gravity works.

But trying to figure out how the world works is half at least a quarter of the fun!

3. Realism is justice.

Meh.

[Happy Demon]

By the way, Detoxicated.

Isn't AldogaN going to take some of the Forge Demons to teach the Nagalions how to make weapons?
Hevin would teach them, but it's really difficult to teach things when you can't talk.

[hector13]

$ $ $

How much does it cost to edit tier-0, -1, -2, -3 and -4 creations? I know it says a minimum 1A and 1E cost, but... that's not very specific heh.

[Demonic Spoon]

Command the Dragons to establish a capital city within the shaft, named Drakholme. They are also to begin construction on a system for traders to move between the two worlds, probably something with pulley's and weights. And of course set up a tolls system to travel through the shaft once the system is completed. Command them to conquer nearby groups of sophonts through whatever means. If they are for some reason reluctant to obey my commands, threaten confiscation of their hoards.

"Hahaha, alright I have made a decision on this! No hard feelings, but its in our nature to take any opportunity available to increase our power! Hahaha Henrietta, please go find the groups the dragon-kin wishes to conquer! Please warn them of the danger and start an Order of Dragonslayers to fight off the invasion! Hahaha, Train them in tactics for facing large-fire breathing winged beasts, inventing them yourself if need-be! And don't miss out on this opportunity to Train yourself! Hahaha, take the opportunity to Slay as many of the invaders as you wish, as an opportunity for Growth!"

Send Chopper to the lands the dragons intend to conquer, and have her train an Order of Dragonslayers, then fight alongside them.

This is why everyone does everything in secret I suppose.

[Stirk]

Command the Dragons to establish a capital city within the shaft, named Drakholme. They are also to begin construction on a system for traders to move between the two worlds, probably something with pulley's and weights. And of course set up a tolls system to travel through the shaft once the system is completed. Command them to conquer nearby groups of sophonts through whatever means. If they are for some reason reluctant to obey my commands, threaten confiscation of their hoards.

"Hahaha, alright I have made a decision on this! No hard feelings, but its in our nature to take any opportunity available to increase our power! Hahaha Henrietta, please go find the groups the dragon-kin wishes to conquer! Please warn them of the danger and start an Order of Dragonslayers to fight off the invasion! Hahaha, Train them in tactics for facing large-fire breathing winged beasts, inventing them yourself if need-be! And don't miss out on this opportunity to Train yourself! Hahaha, take the opportunity to Slay as many of the invaders as you wish, as an opportunity for Growth!"

Send Chopper to the lands the dragons intend to conquer, and have her train an Order of Dragonslayers, then fight alongside them.

This is why everyone does everything in secret I suppose.

Well yeah. If you do something, people react to it  . It would have cost more action points to do in secret, at least. If you did just do it in secret, I would have just performed this action next turn and helped them reclaim the land instead, so it isn't like it changed much.

[Demonic Spoon]

Command the Dragons to establish a capital city within the shaft, named Drakholme. They are also to begin construction on a system for traders to move between the two worlds, probably something with pulley's and weights. And of course set up a tolls system to travel through the shaft once the system is completed. Command them to conquer nearby groups of sophonts through whatever means. If they are for some reason reluctant to obey my commands, threaten confiscation of their hoards.

"Hahaha, alright I have made a decision on this! No hard feelings, but its in our nature to take any opportunity available to increase our power! Hahaha Henrietta, please go find the groups the dragon-kin wishes to conquer! Please warn them of the danger and start an Order of Dragonslayers to fight off the invasion! Hahaha, Train them in tactics for facing large-fire breathing winged beasts, inventing them yourself if need-be! And don't miss out on this opportunity to Train yourself! Hahaha, take the opportunity to Slay as many of the invaders as you wish, as an opportunity for Growth!"

Send Chopper to the lands the dragons intend to conquer, and have her train an Order of Dragonslayers, then fight alongside them.

This is why everyone does everything in secret I suppose.

Well yeah. If you do something, people react to it  . It would have cost more action points to do in secret, at least. If you did just do it in secret, I would have just performed this action next turn and helped them reclaim the land instead, so it isn't like it changed much.

I considered killing your agent but resurrective would make that a waste of flux. It's quite an annoying trait.

EDIT: Incidentally, if I'm understanding the rules correctly, you made an entire unit of a race to create one agent. I'm assuming that population unit still exists. Does the Chopper race have a name?

[Stirk]

I considered killing your agent but resurrective would make that a waste of flux. It's quite an annoying trait.

Well that is the point of having it :p. Doesn't do much good to have a Servant with unlimited advancement potential if they keep dying on you.

And Chopper is the entire Race unit. Probably.

[hector13]

Also a question regarding drawing agents from races.

For example, you have 1.0 unit of races ranging from tier-0 to tier-4. Would it be cheaper (in terms of Essence) to draw a tier-4 agent from the tier-4 race than it would be from the other tiers? If so, what are the costs for each tier?

Edit: never mind, reading is a good idea.

[Demonic Spoon]

Also a question regarding drawing agents from races.

For example, you have 1.0 unit of races ranging from tier-0 to tier-4. Would it be cheaper (in terms of Essence) to draw a tier-4 agent from the tier-4 race than it would be from the other tiers? If so, what are the costs for each tier?

The rules seem to imply the race drawn from doesn't effect agent cost. However, it's more advantageous to draw from a high tier race since they tend to have more/better traits. As thus you generally want to draw from a tier 4 race, but requires either A) paying up 9 essence for said tier 4 race, or B) making a agent from someone else's race which may be a bad idea for multiple reasons.

Two of those reasons I can think of off the top of my head:
Other deity is pissed from you poaching its creations
The agent won't be loyal to you.