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[NedeN]

Ive been having trouble with keeping my captain of the guard happy. Every fortress I play, my captain will always eventually start throwing tantrums. When reading his recent thoughts I will see something along the lines of "annoyed by the lack of cages and chains". Obviously I need more cages/chains but how much? Normally my jails are six rooms with a copper chain in each, that's not enough. Is there a specific place I need to build them, connected with his actual room, or can I just make cage traps near my fortress entrance? Should I make a rather large zoo?

[Man In Zero G]

It sounds like he wants a bigger jail. Check the z-screen under "justice", that should tell you how many chains he wants in your jails.

[Bouchart]

Typically you need 1 cage or chain for every 10 dwarves, constructed and designated for justice.

A chain in this instance includes cloth ropes and metal chains.  A cage, on the other hand, includes only metal cages and not wooden or glass terrariums.  It doesn't matter where they are placed.  Also it's better to use just chains/ropes, since you can put food and booze stockpiles nearby so the dwarf doesn't need to be fed by someone.

[NedeN]

It sounds like he wants a bigger jail. Check the z-screen under "justice", that should tell you how many chains he wants in your jails.

I have never noticed that

Typically you need 1 cage or chain for every 10 dwarves, constructed and designated for justice.

A chain in this instance includes cloth ropes and metal chains.  A cage, on the other hand, includes only metal cages and not wooden or glass terrariums.  It doesn't matter where they are placed.  Also it's better to use just chains/ropes, since you can put food and booze stockpiles nearby so the dwarf doesn't need to be fed by someone.

Well that's good to know

[martinuzz]

Best jail room design.

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#####   # - wall, . - floor
#TCS#   T - table, C - chair, S - statue
#Bcf+   B - bed, c - chain, f - prepared food stockpile (no barrels)
#dd.#   d - drink stockpile, + - door
#####
The food stockpile + table and chair within chain's reach mean no one will need to feed the dwarf, and it won't get unhappy thoughts for not eating at a table, just like the bed will prevent unhappy thoughts from sleeping on the floor. Statue has a chance to give happy thought.

[EBannion]

Best jail room design.

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#####   # - wall, . - floor
#TCS#   T - table, C - chair, S - statue
#Bcf+   B - bed, c - chain, f - prepared food stockpile (no barrels)
#dd.#   d - drink stockpile, + - door
#####
The food stockpile + table and chair within chain's reach mean no one will need to feed the dwarf, and it won't get unhappy thoughts for not eating at a table, just like the bed will prevent unhappy thoughts from sleeping on the floor. Statue has a chance to give happy thought.

I don't know about you but I think my dwarves deserve the unhappy thoughts they get for having to eat without a table and sleep without a bed. IT's JAIL! It's not supposed to be FUN!

<grin>

I understand the minmax need to know how to do this, I just choose not to

[martinuzz]

Old habit. I guess you didn't play yet where jail sentence was a death sentence if you did not build your jail like this. Dwarves would become so unhappy they'd go miserable. While with this prison design, it was the other way around. Depressed dwarf goes into jail, ecstatic dwarf comes out.

[EBannion]

Old habit. I guess you didn't play yet where jail sentence was a death sentence if you did not build your jail like this. Dwarves would become so unhappy they'd go miserable. While with this prison design, it was the other way around. Depressed dwarf goes into jail, ecstatic dwarf comes out.

Oh, no, I did play then. I've been palying for a long time. I just don't mind it when things go awry and people die, even all of them.

[Geltor]

Best jail room design.

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#####   # - wall, . - floor
#TCS#   T - table, C - chair, S - statue
#Bcf+   B - bed, c - chain, f - prepared food stockpile (no barrels)
#dd.#   d - drink stockpile, + - door
#####
The food stockpile + table and chair within chain's reach mean no one will need to feed the dwarf, and it won't get unhappy thoughts for not eating at a table, just like the bed will prevent unhappy thoughts from sleeping on the floor. Statue has a chance to give happy thought.

even from a minimalistic standpoint that is kind of inefficient. the dwarves that will fill the food pile will probably do as much work as the feeders, plus nobody will get the happy taught from feeding/getting fed

[greycat]

even from a minimalistic standpoint that is kind of inefficient. the dwarves that will fill the food pile will probably do as much work as the feeders, plus nobody will get the happy taught from feeding/getting fed

The design comes from older versions where prisoners didn't usually get fed, at all.  But if you put some food where they could reach it, they would eat it themselves.

I don't know the current state of dwarven prisoner care.  I haven't had a justice prisoner in a really long time.

[Geltor]

even from a minimalistic standpoint that is kind of inefficient. the dwarves that will fill the food pile will probably do as much work as the feeders, plus nobody will get the happy taught from feeding/getting fed

The design comes from older versions where prisoners didn't usually get fed, at all.  But if you put some food where they could reach it, they would eat it themselves.

I don't know the current state of dwarven prisoner care.  I haven't had a justice prisoner in a really long time.

ah, alright then. i find digging a 3x1 hole works without any issues this version

[martinuzz]

even from a minimalistic standpoint that is kind of inefficient. the dwarves that will fill the food pile will probably do as much work as the feeders,

Not at all. prepared food comes in stacks of many meals, just like a barrel of booze holds more than one drink. Plus you can lock down your prisons when they are unoccupied so your dwarves won't eat and drink from their stockpiles.

plus nobody will get the happy taught from feeding/getting fed

not getting the happy thought for being fed and given water is more than offset by not getting unhappy thoughts for not eating at a table, not getting unhappy thoughts for lack of alcohol, plus the happy thoughts for admiring own fine table, own fine chair, and own fine statue (if you designate a room from the bed and assign it to the chained dwarf, that is. I think you can even get the 'dined in a legendary dining room' thought if you assign a dining room from the table, and make everything out of fancy stuff like platinum).

You're right on the nobody getting a happy thought for feeding or bringing water though.

[Geltor]

even from a minimalistic standpoint that is kind of inefficient. the dwarves that will fill the food pile will probably do as much work as the feeders,

Not at all. prepared food comes in stacks of many meals, just like a barrel of booze holds more than one drink. Plus you can lock down your prisons when they are unoccupied so your dwarves won't eat and drink from their stockpiles.

plus nobody will get the happy taught from feeding/getting fed

not getting the happy thought for being fed and given water is more than offset by not getting unhappy thoughts for not eating at a table, not getting unhappy thoughts for lack of alcohol, plus the happy thoughts for admiring own fine table, own fine chair, and own fine statue (if you designate a room from the bed and assign it to the chained dwarf, that is. I think you can even get the 'dined in a legendary dining room' thought if you assign a dining room from the table, and make everything out of fancy stuff like platinum).

You're right on the nobody getting a happy thought for feeding or bringing water though.

legendary dining room in jail cells?! even my most pretentious nobles dont earn that kind of treatment. it takes real dedication to turn a jail into a luxurious rehabilitation center!

[martinuzz]

legendary dining room in jail cells?! even my most pretentious nobles dont earn that kind of treatment. it takes real dedication to turn a jail into a luxurious rehabilitation center!

Which just made me wonder if it's possible, after adding a chest to the empty floor spot, to designate it as a tavern, and with the help of some nefarious burrow micromanagement, give the prisoner his own personal barkeep and band of performers  . I should add a temple too, by designating one of the locations from the dining room and the other from an overlapping i-zone

Must .. try... Waiting for either a mayor or a raising of the lands to nobility, so I can export some banned goods to get some test subjects in prison.

[greycat]

It doesn't take much at all to make a "legendary dining room".