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[Montieth]

Has anyone else seen instances of Militia managing to jump through Fortifications?

I had it happen yesterday, but I put it down to overly aggressive marksdwarves climbing the single layer wall of my motte & baily and going over the wall to get to the Goblins they could see. Today it happened again and appeared that they went through the wall, though they MAY have gone up two flights of stairs to do it. It's hard to tell. Beware your Marksdwarves safety again..



Possibly related, if you build a block wall on say layer 1. Then build walls above on the 2nd layer (with corresponding floor on layer 2). Then carve Fortifications on layer 1. Then decide to change the position of the walls on layer 2 to be extended over the top of layer 1 to get an overhang, wherever the Fortifications are, they now have no floor above.

In previous versions Walls that are built have the wall and the next higher level floor right?
Built Fortifications have just the wall segment with no next level floor.

It's almost as if Fortifications carved into built walls delete the corresponding floor on the next layer above.

[MobRules]

Actually, I think it was always the case that built walls, by themselves, have no "floor" on them.

Or rather, they have it in the sense that dwarves can walk on them, but not in the sense of preventing diagonal pathing. For that, you need to add a real floor on top (at least that's how it was in .40).

[Montieth]

Hmm. I'm not sure about that. In this case they're definitely dodging through the fortifications however. I just restarted at the same point the second goblin invasion shows up. And I had a major bout of 'lets all dodge through the walls' mass suicide.

They do seem safer when atop a 5 z level high archer tower. They are NOT jumping through the overhang slit if there is one and the Goblin Archers seem disinclined to shoot back at range. Seems like one needs to put fortifications MUCH higher from a given opponent to keep the user's safe.

[PatrikLundell]

That walls should be unsafe from diagonal pathing is news to me. It used to be that carved fortifications were safe as well, while built ones were floor-less.

However, it could be that fortification top floors are lost on carving if they are covered on top. The logic could be the same as for obsidianizing a staircase in magma, where the floor disappears when the staircase above is removed, but a floor is generated if the staircase above is removed before the obsidianization.

I've had dorfs dodging through walls in 0.40.24.

I thought X-bow dorfs could target only +/- 3 z levels?

[Chief10]

PTW

I thought X-bow dorfs could target only +/- 3 z levels?

Also, I had no idea about this. Can anyone confirm this? If it's true I need a massive overhaul of my walls...

[Montieth]

I've had dorfs dodging through walls in 0.40.24.

I thought X-bow dorfs could target only +/- 3 z levels?

I had half my milita pop through the fortress walls in was I've never seen. It was bad.

As to heigh, they were definately shooting 5z levels down at the last gobbo after the rest had been killed in round two after I save reloaded. After sorting out that goblin invasion i set the fortress to reworking the embrasures to higher levels on overhangling towers.

[Geltor]

even if i had floors above my fortifications and the floors they were standing on they still somehow managed to jump through the fortifications into the 5tile wide moat. i just dont rely on their judgement anymore

[Ysyua]

i just dont rely on their judgement anymore

The first mistake you made was trusting their judgment to begin with. 

With alcohol actually having an effect on how dwarves act and feel, I think we have even less reason to trust them.

[Klitri]

It's always been possible since jumping was added to be able to jump through fortification. Same applies to dodging AFAIK

[Baffler]

A stopgap measure is to have them defend a burrow that's defined as the top of the wall, rather than having them stationed up there. If I remember right, soldiers won't leave their assigned burrow no matter what, unless given a direct order otherwise.

[Geltor]

A stopgap measure is to have them defend a burrow that's defined as the top of the wall, rather than having them stationed up there. If I remember right, soldiers won't leave their assigned burrow no matter what, unless given a direct order otherwise.

they will still jump through eventually

[Sprin]

Yey Im not the onlly one with this problem