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[Putnam]

Fortbent was hours of work total to update to 0.40.01 and 0.42.01 combined. I doubt Masterwork would take much more than a week with some smart search and replace and, uh, good... version control...

nevermind

[forsaken1111]

and, uh, good... version control...

nevermind

hehehehe

[123nick]

Fortbent was hours of work total to update to 0.40.01 and 0.42.01 combined. I doubt Masterwork would take much more than a week with some smart search and replace and, uh, good... version control...

nevermind

well, i was meaning a porting over of the non-reborn edition; the old version with gnomes, kobolds, succubuses, warlocks, humans, the hermits, etc. also, i didnt get the version control joke :/

[stormwolf442]

The only things I would really want are an updated manual, fortress mode magic (I think it was removed, ignore if I am wrong...), and more adventure mode stuff pretty much like Wanderer's Friend, though I don't know how much work that would be since I absolutely suck at modding anything.

EDIT: I take it back, I can modify posts on this site pretty good if I forget something...

[forsaken1111]

Fortbent was hours of work total to update to 0.40.01 and 0.42.01 combined. I doubt Masterwork would take much more than a week with some smart search and replace and, uh, good... version control...

nevermind

well, i was meaning a porting over of the non-reborn edition; the old version with gnomes, kobolds, succubuses, warlocks, humans, the hermits, etc. also, i didnt get the version control joke :/

Basically it would just require Meph or someone else to go through the raws from the old version and ensure that any new tags from the new version are present where applicable, and then it -should- work. Would likely require some troubleshooting.

But I think Meph wanted to re-do masterwork from the ground up rather than throwing in every kitchen sink mod, which is why he started the reborn version. I believe Meph will be working on it from his laptop while he does his cross-country bike tour thingy

The version control joke.. wasn't important.

[123nick]

Fortbent was hours of work total to update to 0.40.01 and 0.42.01 combined. I doubt Masterwork would take much more than a week with some smart search and replace and, uh, good... version control...

nevermind

well, i was meaning a porting over of the non-reborn edition; the old version with gnomes, kobolds, succubuses, warlocks, humans, the hermits, etc. also, i didnt get the version control joke :/

Basically it would just require Meph or someone else to go through the raws from the old version and ensure that any new tags from the new version are present where applicable, and then it -should- work. Would likely require some troubleshooting.

But I think Meph wanted to re-do masterwork from the ground up rather than throwing in every kitchen sink mod, which is why he started the reborn version. I believe Meph will be working on it from his laptop while he does his cross-country bike tour thingy

The version control joke.. wasn't important.

yeah, but still, who wants a less-kitchen sinky version of masterwork dwarf fortress? its why i love it, the randomly generated creatures, the templates, the extreme ammounts of content-poisoning weapons, archeology, currency, what more would you want?

[LMeire]

Fortbent was hours of work total to update to 0.40.01 and 0.42.01 combined. I doubt Masterwork would take much more than a week with some smart search and replace and, uh, good... version control...

nevermind

well, i was meaning a porting over of the non-reborn edition; the old version with gnomes, kobolds, succubuses, warlocks, humans, the hermits, etc. also, i didnt get the version control joke :/

Basically it would just require Meph or someone else to go through the raws from the old version and ensure that any new tags from the new version are present where applicable, and then it -should- work. Would likely require some troubleshooting.

But I think Meph wanted to re-do masterwork from the ground up rather than throwing in every kitchen sink mod, which is why he started the reborn version. I believe Meph will be working on it from his laptop while he does his cross-country bike tour thingy

The version control joke.. wasn't important.

yeah, but still, who wants a less-kitchen sinky version of masterwork dwarf fortress? its why i love it, the randomly generated creatures, the templates, the extreme ammounts of content-poisoning weapons, archeology, currency, what more would you want?

Meph made a few vote-survey-things, the consensus was to tone down the Dwarves. An unbalance that one-sided is poor design in any game where there's more than 1 playable faction, like if someone modded AoE2 and added the cheater-machine-gun-cars as a default unit to the Persians.

[Putnam]

Fortbent was hours of work total to update to 0.40.01 and 0.42.01 combined. I doubt Masterwork would take much more than a week with some smart search and replace and, uh, good... version control...

nevermind

well, i was meaning a porting over of the non-reborn edition; the old version with gnomes, kobolds, succubuses, warlocks, humans, the hermits, etc. also, i didnt get the version control joke :/

Basically it would just require Meph or someone else to go through the raws from the old version and ensure that any new tags from the new version are present where applicable, and then it -should- work. Would likely require some troubleshooting.

But I think Meph wanted to re-do masterwork from the ground up rather than throwing in every kitchen sink mod, which is why he started the reborn version. I believe Meph will be working on it from his laptop while he does his cross-country bike tour thingy

The version control joke.. wasn't important.

yeah, but still, who wants a less-kitchen sinky version of masterwork dwarf fortress? its why i love it, the randomly generated creatures, the templates, the extreme ammounts of content-poisoning weapons, archeology, currency, what more would you want?

unique, interesting mechanics that have meaning to the game at large

but then again i've realized recently that that's basically impossible with raws

[Meph]

realized recently

Havent you been here for a couple of years? ^^

[Putnam]

I always thought that it was more a subset of such good mechanics that were impossible with raws rather than literally all of them, as i'm beginning to think. Raws are turing complete with interactions, but they're the worst tarpit i've ever laid my eyes upon if you want to do computation. Easier to use game of life or DF's fluids. Toady mentioned when i asked for college recently and hinted during a FOTF response that there ought to be a proper scripting system, and i'm really beginning to agree.

[Dozebôm Lolumzalěs]

I'm not sure of that, but I suspect it's the case.  I know Willows, for example, produce Willow Fruit, but Willow Fruit is inedible so your dwarves ignore it completely, even with a plant gathering zone.

In fact, I know of no plant fruits that are gathered that don't contain either [EDIBLE_RAW], [EDIBLE_COOKED], or a DRINK_MAT result.  Doesn't mean I'm right, but I think that's what governs when dwarves are willing to collect the fruits

Aha, I just got a great idea. Make it a seed! That way, it should be edible cooked, but not allowed by default.

[Abadrausar]

...there ought to be a proper scripting system...

Well, Lua as a data lang were developed in Brazilian Petrobras to give an answer to the same use case we have with DF raws.
Let´s see an extract from "The evolution of an extension language: a history of Lua" by Roberto Ierusalimschy, Luiz Henrique de Figueiredo, Waldemar Celes.

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The engineers at PETROBRAS needed to prepare input data files for simulators several times a day. This process was boring and error-prone because the simulation programs were legacy code that needed strictly formatted input files – typically bare columns of numbers, with no indication of what each number meant. Of course, each number had a specific meaning, which the engineers could grab at a glance, once they saw a diagram of the particular simulation. TeCGraf was asked by PETROBRAS to create several graphical front-ends for this kind of data entry. The numbers could then be input interactively, just by clicking at the relevant parts of the diagram – a much easier and meaningful task than editing columns of numbers. Moreover, it opened the opportunity to add data validation and also to compute derived quantities from the input data, reducing the amount of data needed from the user, and increasing the reliability of the whole process.

Maybe the time of Lua DF raws has come...

[Putnam]

Thus the 1-indexing.

[Abadrausar]

Thus the 1-indexing.

You could always trivially redefine the _length method in metatables if that is a problem.
For lua using 0 index is not a problem, the real problem is that the default _lenght implementation does not take that into account.

[milo christiansen]

And, internally, the zero index is always in the hash part of the table so it is slightly slower to read than the other indexes, not to mention that ```({"a", "b", "c"})[0] == nil```