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[evilcherry]

No to the steam engine. Steam-powered ships aren't any better anyway before we have access to high pressure, probably superheated steam.

Steam for now is most useful for industry. We might, for example, make rifling easier by the use of machine tools, or the stamping of cannonballs easier, but overall it isn't of much direct help on the battlefield.

[flazeo25]

well if we get steam we have access to build lots of transport and weaponry types since resource we get will help lower cost of everything. Plus with the wagon way the loyalist have they are going to be getting second resource which means they can build and produce more stuff.

My thought is if we succeed in theft of loyalist ship we could spend next design making all purpose steam engine then use revise to create more advance version of their ship, we could use steal to take their wagons way giving us extra resource then spend next design getting loctomotive and revising our ship creating a variation for transport which would give us access to three extra resources.

[Snake1229]

well if we get steam we have access to build lots of transport and weaponry types since resource we get will help lower cost of everything. Plus with the wagon way the loyalist have they are going to be getting second resource which means they can build and produce more stuff.

My thought is if we succeed in theft of loyalist ship we could spend next design making all purpose steam engine then use revise to create more advance version of their ship, we could use steal to take their wagons way giving us extra resource then spend next design getting loctomotive and revising our ship creating a variation for transport which would give us access to three extra resources.

I think wI nshould give up on steam till the 1800s

[Graknorke]

No we literally cannot design steam engines to go on ships. The pressure and therefore power:weight ratio is too low.
We could totally have a go at rail/cartways though. Horses can pull carts and later could be easily retrofitted for locomotives. It could technically even use steam engines now as a sort of cable railway, since we don't have to worry about the weight of the powering engine in that case.

[flazeo25]

No we literally cannot design steam engines to go on ships. The pressure and therefore power:weight ratio is too low.
We could totally have a go at rail/cartways though. Horses can pull carts and later could be easily retrofitted for locomotives. It could technically even use steam engines now as a sort of cable railway, since we don't have to worry about the weight of the powering engine in that case.

This engine would powerful enough too be use on much bigger boat  if needed and we can just steal loyalist wagons if we want carts. weight isnt much of factor when it comes to steam engine since they make up for it and most will be invented quickly.

[Graknorke]

This engine would powerful enough too be use on much bigger boat

To be used on a bigger ship, the engine has to be bigger. If the engine is bigger, it is heavier. If the engine is heavier, it's much less likely that the ship will actually float.

[flazeo25]

This engine would powerful enough too be use on much bigger boat

To be used on a bigger ship, the engine has to be bigger. If the engine is bigger, it is heavier. If the engine is heavier, it's much less likely that the ship will actually float.

ships float cause of vast space air can flow too since it gives them buyoance, majority of steam engines were tall and heavy.

[Graknorke]

Are you familiar with the square-cube law? I am reasonably sure that applies here. As volume (and therefore mass) is cubed, the force exerted on the piston is only squared. So to move the same sized ship your engine has to be larger relative to it.

[evilcherry]

The problem is finding a hull which can safely contain a steam engine, have some way for it to spew out its power, and somehow the vessel must be seaworthy, at the same time that the engine must be useful enough.

Such technology did not exist for another half century.

[flazeo25]

The problem is finding a hull which can safely contain a steam engine, have some way for it to spew out its power, and somehow the vessel must be seaworthy, at the same time that the engine must be useful enough.

Such technology did not exist for another half century.

No steam tech comes very quickly, and just building a engine would speed it up, the loyalist ship would well be able to handle one since their were large steam engines put onto tiny boats. ships like this North River steamboat or Charlotte Dundas were built in 1803 and 1807 which is only around 20 years away. plus their were canal version made by William Symington in 1789 which only shut down due to fault with paddle wheel not being strong enough.

[Beneviento]

The problem is finding a hull which can safely contain a steam engine, have some way for it to spew out its power, and somehow the vessel must be seaworthy, at the same time that the engine must be useful enough.

Such technology did not exist for another half century.

No steam tech comes very quickly, and just building a engine would speed it up, the loyalist ship would well be able to handle one since their were large steam engines put onto tiny boats. ships like this North River steamboat or Charlotte Dundas were built in 1803 and 1807 which is only around 20 years away. plus their were canal version made by William Symington in 1789 which only shut down due to fault with paddle wheel not being strong enough.

I agree that steam power for transport is not far off. My question is "How will steam power make our military ships better?". I think the answer is that it won't until we have things like explosive shells and armor plates. We tried to build a steamboat and it didn't work out, so I feel like we should change course and work mostly on artillery because it will be of use both on land and at sea, and offers a chance to erase the Confederacy's advantage in rifles.

[tntey]

The problem is finding a hull which can safely contain a steam engine, have some way for it to spew out its power, and somehow the vessel must be seaworthy, at the same time that the engine must be useful enough.

Such technology did not exist for another half century.

No steam tech comes very quickly, and just building a engine would speed it up, the loyalist ship would well be able to handle one since their were large steam engines put onto tiny boats. ships like this North River steamboat or Charlotte Dundas were built in 1803 and 1807 which is only around 20 years away. plus their were canal version made by William Symington in 1789 which only shut down due to fault with paddle wheel not being strong enough.

I agree that steam power for transport is not far off. My question is "How will steam power make our military ships better?". I think the answer is that it won't until we have things like explosive shells and armor plates. We tried to build a steamboat and it didn't work out, so I feel like we should change course and work mostly on artillery because it will be of use both on land and at sea, and offers a chance to erase the Confederacy's advantage in rifles.

I agree. Upgrading our artillery could prove beneficial. I would like to continue improving our rifle though.

[flazeo25]

The problem is finding a hull which can safely contain a steam engine, have some way for it to spew out its power, and somehow the vessel must be seaworthy, at the same time that the engine must be useful enough.

Such technology did not exist for another half century.

No steam tech comes very quickly, and just building a engine would speed it up, the loyalist ship would well be able to handle one since their were large steam engines put onto tiny boats. ships like this North River steamboat or Charlotte Dundas were built in 1803 and 1807 which is only around 20 years away. plus their were canal version made by William Symington in 1789 which only shut down due to fault with paddle wheel not being strong enough.

I agree that steam power for transport is not far off. My question is "How will steam power make our military ships better?". I think the answer is that it won't until we have things like explosive shells and armor plates. We tried to build a steamboat and it didn't work out, so I feel like we should change course and work mostly on artillery because it will be of use both on land and at sea, and offers a chance to erase the Confederacy's advantage in rifles.

Well main reason I want steam engine is so we can build transport types for more resources, and for exlosives one of our howzits has low exlosives.

[Zanzetkuken The Great]

A Message from the Richards Palace of the Glorious Atterton Monarchy to the Grand Engineering Hall, January 1, 1782

Great Engineers!  Your most recent designs have brought us great victory upon our front lines!  While your advisement about Port Silver proved to be wrong, the retaking of the lands eaten by the heinous Lord Coombe is a great boon!  All thanks to our new artillery!  Granted, his glorious majesty was quite displeased with our navy being completely crushed by the Loyalist scum, we have assured him that you are working on a solution to retaliate against this act.

Sad news comes from the Hall of Secrets.  They had been unable to provide us with the designs of the Loyalist ships.  However, they did spot one of those savages of the Confederacy taking something from the Loyalist vaults, so not all is lost.  We are unsure as to what was taken, just that it had been removed and the alert sounded by our spy in order to get the barbarian captured was unsuccessful.

All of that is behind us, though!  We look forwards to seeing what you provide our armies with this coming year!


Begin 1782 Design Phase

[flazeo25]

Well heres a design for a steam engine if anyone wants.

Spoiler: AM- Vee Engine (click to show/hide)

A 2x twin 88 inch cylinders arranged in a v-formation two on either side at 33 degrees to the vertical, the cylinders drive crankshaft with 18'3 diameter wooden toothed chain wheel.
It produces 1000 horsepower with 6 ft stroke and is 18 rpm inclined direct-acting steam engines