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Yes, we need one anyway.

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No, we should take that elsewhere and keep this thread as-is.

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I don't care, let's see what happens.

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[Loud Whispers]

Weird, suddenly a bunch of them are in white areas.  What a weird coincidence that you left those ones off or misaimed them.

No it aint lol first try I was aiming off by ms paint and eyesight, this time I just got one of my m8s who knows how to use photoshop to overlap them

Weird that you hush up about it now xD

[Sensei]

How many Jewish gangs do you know of?

These.

[TD1]

Looking at it logically, who is more likely to be a social..... shall we say nuisance? Detractor?... the people invested in the welfare of the city, who came here seeking safety and a good life for themselves, or the ones who view the city as their natural territory, who have been brought up with some thought that others do not belong here, often born into poor white families, looking to find a community - conveniently found in a gang - which they feel is not being infiltrated by those who are "other." These people do not, one could assume, feel as much of a connection to the city as those whose families have risked their lives traveling there to look for a better place to live.

I'm not necessarily speaking of the immigrants who came, as you put it "seeking safety." I speak more of their children. They didn't come seeking safety, instead they already have it. They come from violent places, and they seek a community. It is often the case that the young from a violent place, when put together, in turn themselves become violent. Yes, there are white gangs. I think that there is a disproportionate number of black gangs to go along with that, however.

Although, I would say that speaking of those "travelling there to look for a better place to live" is a tad bit of a romantic twist. An awful lot came for themselves, not to protect their family or flee from some tyrant.

[ChairmanPoo]

If I may ask... I will be staying in London in the first quarter of 2016. How are Camberwell and Stockwell crime-wise?

[penguinofhonor]

Of course it's a twist, I pulled it straight from an immigration narrative that opposes the one you were tapping into. It is trivially easy to describe a situation so that the logical answer is what you want it to be.

[TD1]

Of course it's a twist, I pulled it straight from an immigration narrative that opposes the one you were tapping into. It is trivially easy to describe a situation so that the logical answer is what you want it to be.

Of course it is. But yours says that "white gangs" are formed over race reasons, or the need to socialise with their own kind. That doesn't seem very logical, it seems such gangs form for socio economic reasons. Race and inclusion forms a bigger part of black gangs than white gangs.

[Shadowlord]

Tell that to the white supremacist prison gangs.

[TD1]

Meh. Prison is a different ball game entirely, and seems to be mainly an American problem. I was speaking of Britain, specifically - I'm not so familiar with other countries.

[penguinofhonor]

Britain? The country that skinheads originated from?

[TD1]

Yes, that's the one!

Skinheads weren't formed because of race, they were formed (according to wikipedia) over Jamaican influences, and members spanned the entire political spectrum. The reason black gangs start is mainly because of race. Note, not racism. I am saying they form gangs because they are black[edit] by which I mean of a different ethnicity, be it related to skin colour or not. Saying "black" is too much of an over generalisation.[/edit], and want to get together with their own colour or culture. As they are often the offspring of immigrants who come from violent places, their "get togethers," or community groups, often take the path of gangs. Later, a racist element may inject itself. And, of course, this is a hundred times a hundred times more likely in poorer districts, where the people are rougher, and where there is more exposure to violence, drugs, and other gang-related past times.

[scrdest]

Yes, that's the one!

Skinheads weren't formed because of race, they were formed (according to wikipedia) over Jamaican influences, and members spanned the entire political spectrum. The reason black gangs start is mainly because of race. Note, not racism. I am saying they form gangs because they are black[edit] by which I mean of a different ethnicity, be it related to skin colour or not. Saying "black" is too much of an over generalisation.[/edit], and want to get together with their own colour or culture. As they are often the offspring of immigrants who come from violent places, their "get togethers," or community groups, often take the path of gangs. Later, a racist element may inject itself. And, of course, this is a hundred times a hundred times more likely in poorer districts, where the people are rougher, and where there is more exposure to violence, drugs, and other gang-related past times.

's true. Skinheads == Nazis only really came to be a thing since a bunch of rabidly Nazi bands (which are rather hilarious, in the way a clown with a machinegun is, incidentally - I'd say don't ask how I know that, but you would anyway, so - I heard a sample in a review of some of the 'games' put out by their kinda folk by some Goons) started to be big in the subculture.

That said, there's already a major precedent that shows this kinda behavior is not race- or culture-specific. Just look at all the immigrant minorities in interwar US, most famously Italians, but also Poles, Jews or Irishmen. The mafias largely grew out of the communities and ingrained social structures of the old countries, too.

[smjjames]

Didn't the whole Mafia stuff origionate from the Sicilian (and possibly Italian in general, though I've heard mostly Sicily) Mafia?

[Loud Whispers]

Britain? The country that skinheads originated from?

Not a prison gang where people banded together on ethnic lines for defence and organization

If I may ask... I will be staying in London in the first quarter of 2016. How are Camberwell and Stockwell crime-wise?

It lies between Brixton (one of the highest crime rates of London) and Peckham (which has an even higher crime rate) and itself has a very high crime rate
All in all I wouldn't be worried as long as you're not raising a family there and you mind your own business, it's otherwise a very interesting and cheap area to live in, plus you have to factor in that there's been major redevelopments in southeast which have caused gentrification which has neutered the area a bit in crime but also in character. Don't piss anyone off, never get wasted at night and don't look worth mugging, pretty standard stuff as far as cities go. Oh yeah and don't use the topdecks of buses or the front and rear ends of tubes, at 3-4pm it's best to avoid the vicinity of the academies and 2ndary schools and never forget that the worst mugger is someone who doesn't want what you own. A few hundred violent crimes every month but mostly all in council estates or when gangs collide so I warrant you'll be fine, it's not like cities are exactly safe spaces hahaha
You'll in the end probably be more bothered by the occasional pollution in the air than some mug

[martinuzz]

French authorities have forbidden the sale of alcohol between 8pm and 8am in the north of France, by decree of the president's special powers during crisis, for as long as the state of emergency is active.

There's gonna be angry pub owners and sad tourists now I'm sure.
I wonder what's next? No porc meat between fridays and sundays?

Apparently the Paris attacks helped progress sharia for France pretty well.

http://bigbrowser.blog.lemonde.fr/2015/11/25/la-prefecture-du-nord-interdit-la-vente-dalcool-apres-20-heures/

[TheBiggerFish]

:facepalm:
France, qu'est-ce que vous faites?!

Seriously I have no idea why they'd do that.