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[TCM]

why does deep pass factor into this

[Chevaleresse]

why does deep pass factor into this

because deep pass is broke af

[Sanure]

why does deep pass factor into this

because deep pass is broke af

Deep pass is literally Periw's Hardlight scanner.... Double/triple damage to an allies attack.

[USEC_OFFICER]

Oh look, a volunteer to show how people don't pay attention (Sorry USEC, Had to )

@USEC, Red Carnival is an Ultimate Attack. It calls upon 100 puppets to attack enforce. Downsides are: Shiro gets KO'd because of the part that says "Prevents actions that use puppets". It has a timer of at least 5 turns before use.

Five turns before use? Which is not listed on her sheet at all? Which makes it seem extremely ridiculous and overpowered? Which is why everyone was talking about it? Hence the obviously sarcastic 'Shiro OP, pls nerf'? Because I had followed the conversation and everyone's arguments? So you can't yell at me for not paying attention?

why does deep pass factor into this

Mostly because it factors greatly into Emp's theorycrafting. There's nothing wrong with it, so long as it can't stack with similar abilities, I just needed another example and yours was the first to spring into mind. TBF's Parry thing should have probably been substituted instead. Sorry about that.

[Empiricist]

why does deep pass factor into this

Because it turns out that the horrifying reality-devouring abominations have a crippling vulnerability to American Football.

Well, that and I guess no discussion on burst damage is complete without mentioning a damage-boosting Action such as Hardlight Scanner, Aura Charge, or Deep Pass.

Goddamn it guys. You know what? Next forum game I run, everyone builds their characters using preset actions. So there'll be none of this Red Carnival or Deep Pass bullshit. Just perk bullshit, which will be more subdued and easier to catch with preset actions.

Or just ask players what they want and make something as close to it as possible possibly through combining premade components, don't let them even make their own Perks. Want God Hand? That's doable. Want Kinetic Shell? Too bad, here's a rubber chicken.

[USEC_OFFICER]

Or just ask players what they want and make something as close to it as possible possibly through combining premade components, don't let them even make their own Perks. Want God Hand? That's doable. Want Kinetic Shell? Too bad, here's a rubber chicken.

That could be an option. Except I'll probably get vague bullshit so... It's lose-lose either way.

[Twinwolf]

Didn't the Rise of the Alterverse system, once revised, have a sort of ability-building thing? Maybe use an altered version of that part of the system?

[TCM]

no problemo
honestly I would prefer to have character appropiate abilities than have them be amazing :<

[Chevaleresse]

Alternatively, just grab another co-GM to help you review actions more closely instead of killing the freeform stuff that brought me (and surely others) to the game in the first place.

[Empiricist]

Speaking of Hardlight Scanner, what does it do fluff-wise? Seeing as it's apparently scanning the target using solid light which in my mental image consists of either shooting the foe in the throat and diligently analyzing the arterial spray, or breaking their legs with a hardlight pipe and leaving them vulnerable to a followup

[Powder Miner]

The lack of preset combinations and the sheer possible creativity is what I like about this character creation system -- I think it would NOT benefit from a preset-fixing and it would be a worse system and much less fun overall. All of these "it could break like this" things are completely overblown and a much much bigger deal is made of them then they have the ACTUAL potential to be, because the GMs can fix things when they become an actual problem, and people can call attention to things that become a problem.

I'm sorry Emp, but I really really don't like how you've focused the shift of this game OOC to potential combinations of "potential" things that could be problems but that the GMs have the capability to fix because what you propose would nullify one of the best tbings abiut the game for me. I don't care what people COULD do because GMs have the power to say no, and the power to tell rules lawyers no despite all their rules lawyering. The game is NOT tilted towards these mechanics as much as you talk as if it is anyway -- all these talks of superOPbroken things are in the end things that are marginal, and I feel that you're trying to force the game into a specific mechanics-oriented ultra-complex mold that I don't want to see.

[Empiricist]

Um, you might have mistimed that Powder, out of the recent stuff, I'm not the one who started complaining about Shirogane's Limit Break, nor asking for a re-review of Deep Pass.

[Powder Miner]

It's not that I'm complaining about, you're the one suggesting a system shift

[Empiricist]

It's not that I'm complaining about, you're the one suggesting a system shift

That isn't a system shift - USEC's talking about working on a completely different game.

[Twinwolf]

I like the system as is. The thing I was suggesting was for USEC's game, which was specifically said to be using a different system to this.