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[Strongpoint]

Looking at the scale of mobilization of Israel, I expect a huge land invasion in Gaza. Considering that it is a dense urban environment, it will be a bloodbath both for the Israeli army and Palestinian civilians. Horrible...

[martinuzz]

Idiot in town today told me I am a cancer jew.
I have been raised to never be afraid or ashamed of my race, especially since what happened in WW2, and have shared my history as a descendant of holocaust survivors with a lot of people to keep the memory alive.
I told him "WTF. I suppose you will also tell any random black person that he needs to die, because his race kidnaps and rapes school girls in Nigeria? No? Right, indeed. Don't judge me for my race, I have never been to Israel, my ancestors have lived in the Netherlands for over 500 years. It shouldn't matter, but my family also has not been religious for nearly 200 years either. Despite that, 95% of my direct relatives were gassed, shot and tortured to death because of their race"
Then I went home, because I have no wish for further escalation by brown shirt deplorables.

[martinuzz]

At the terrain of the music festival at Re'im kibbutz, over 250 dead bodies were found by search and rescue teams, bringing the Israeli civilian death toll well over 700. Most victims are children and youngsters.

The music festival's main theme was peace and tolerance.

It is unclear how many foreigners were killed.
The music festival had visitors and artists from Japan, France, Germany, the UK, Sweden, Mexico, Brasil and more countries.

EDIT: The USA is moving part of it's naval assets closer to Israel.

[martinuzz]

source: Dutch Volskrant newspaper, conflict liveblog.
https://www.volkskrant.nl/buitenland/live-aanval-op-israel-israelisch-leger-250-lichamen-gevonden-op-festivalterrein-vs-brengen-militaire-schepen-en-vliegtuigen-dichter-bij-israel~b0c98190/

Edited for obsolescence since person was banned

[Toady One]

(banned the genocide guy)

[Il Palazzo]

One is the Toad, whose Toes are Three,
Praised be the coming and going of Him.
And great is Jifodus, His Eternal Watchman,
Whose loggings are in but never out.
Hallowed be Kurtumlak, the Slumbering,
In Armok's chambers of yore attendant.
Deliver us from banhammering
And the Scoops of Novel.
Until the coming of One-point-oh
In Pathos united we watch bays.
Amen.

[eerr]

You don't need to bring up pathos, the world is filled with enough flak already.

[Il Palazzo]

Brother. Accept the Pathos in you.

[hector13]

Let Pathos in.

Resistance is futile.

[martinuzz]

Israel has declared a full siege of Gaza. They will blockade all supply of electricity, fuel, food and water.

[Strongpoint]

Israel has declared a full siege of Gaza. They will blockade all supply of electricity, fuel, food and water.

Sadly, expected. Israel will destroy HAMAS this time and they won't care much to limit civilian casualties. There will be a blockade and pounding for some time, then a land operation.

One doesn't mobilize 300K soldiers to not go all in (for comparison - Russia invaded Ukraine with a ~250K force)

The question now is whether will it spill to Lebanon.

[Rockeater]

I don't think Israel will destroy HAMAS, it will try but HAMAS has too much of an outside support and can go low in Gaza itself, the only realistic option to do that is to flatten or conquer Gaza, both willcause more problems to Israel.

[Loud Whispers]

The Israeli army has warned the population of Gaza on X that they should leave their homes and seek shelter. They say that the attacks on Israel by Hamas sadly force them to attack residential areas with Hamas targets.

After rocket attacks from Lebanon by Hezbollah, the Isaraeli army used artillery to strike at Hezbollah targets in Lebanon

Literally where can they go? Gaza is one of the most densely populated areas and Israel blockades them. Every year they do the same song and dance, telling Palestinians to flee whilst they bomb them, killing thousands. This aint war it's just slaughter

Israeli defence minister says they are fighting human animals, not people

Not surprising given his predecessor also said he didn't view Palestinians as humans, but as animals

[Strongpoint]

I don't think Israel will destroy HAMAS, it will try but HAMAS has too much of an outside support and can go low in Gaza itself,  the only realistic option to do that is to flatten or conquer Gaza , both willcause more problems to Israel.

And this is what I expect Israel will do. Probably AND not or. Not only it is what pissed off Israeli society wants ATM. It is what Netanyahu needs to survive as a politician. He needs a decisive victory or he'll need to answer - how the hell all security forces of Israel allowed this nightmare to happen.

Usual retribution air strikes won't be enough.

[Rockeater]

Oh, I agree they will try, the problem gonna be that consquances gonna come before those things are done, will the revange still last when troops still dying trying tonoccupy this place months from now? and will international support last month from now with tens of thousednds gazan dead? I think no.