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[martinuzz]

Hamas fired thousands of rockets, well over 500 Israeli citizens were injured, at least 40 killed.
Nowhere I read about hundreds or thousands of deaths, but the 40 dead number will most likely rise when the captured settlements are recaptured.

It is sad and horrible. This attack by Hamas on civilians is barbaric.

[martinuzz]

Iran and Hezbollah have pledged support to Hamas. Let's hope this does not escalate into a full scale Middle East war.

EDIT: USA pledged military support to Israel

Airstrikes on Gaza city have killed nearly 200 people and injured 1000.

[Strongpoint]

Local news report 40 killed in rocket strikes. Where's the 'hundreds or thousands' coming from?

It is way beyond a massive rocket strike.

Armed HAMAS groups entered numerous settlements in Israel and are walking around killing and kidnapping random civilians. There are no numbers yet because Israel still doesn't fully control those settlements but there are enough videos and photos to expect very serious casualties.

[Il Palazzo]

If there are no numbers, then you should not be throwing around any numbers, no?
I wish we were less conditioned to form opinions on news just as they unfold.

[Strongpoint]

If there are no numbers, then you should not be throwing around any numbers, no?
I wish we were less conditioned to form opinions on news just as they unfold.

I have developed a grim skill of estimating the number of killed by what I see in the news... We can wait but I can't see how it is not hundreds. (not thousands seeing how Israel managed to react quickly and how HAMAS started retreating sooner than I expected).

In any case, no matter what the actual numbers are, I expect that Israelis will treat it as their 9/11. Any internal voices calling for diplomatic solutions will be silenced for some time. The Gaza Strip will be, at the very least, pounded and blockaded.

[Folly]

Latest numbers I'm seeing are 300 dead, 1500 wounded. They don't expect to have the ground fully secured until dawn at the earliest, so those numbers will continue to rise.

While I agree with the general sentiment of not wanting to make assumptions or exaggerations in deadly situations like this, I also think it's entirely reasonable to expect a dramatic rise in the death toll when considering the scope and nature of the ongoing violence.

[hector13]

I mean… Gaza is basically under siege by Israel. They control land, sea, and air access (with Egypt) and are quite happy to allow their citizenry to abuse and harass Palestinians if it makes them leave - a situation which is not limited to Palestinians.

This is the same Israel with a far-right government that passed a law that only Jews are entitled to self-determination in Israel.

So yeah, without going into more detail on the horrific things allowed by the Israeli government enacted upon the Palestinians, I don’t condone at all what Hamas are doing, but when their back is to the wall and they keep getting pushed by someone that wants to eliminate them, physically, culturally, or both, and the international community has basically abandoned them to that fate… what other option do they have?

[Duuvian]

Here's something that I learned a long time ago when I made this mistake, and that is that Hamas is not the Palestinian people, it is a terrorist organization that is in a happenstance and accidental sort of symbiotic relationship with the right wing in Israel. Neither can stay in power without their opponent, because both are examples of bad leadership.

[Strongpoint]

Sure, any ruling political force is not the same as the nation as a whole. The question is what level of genuine support this political force and its ideology has and I see no reason to believe that it is not extremely high.

[martinuzz]

The Israeli army has warned the population of Gaza on X that they should leave their homes and seek shelter. They say that the attacks on Israel by Hamas sadly force them to attack residential areas with Hamas targets.

After rocket attacks from Lebanon by Hezbollah, the Isaraeli army used artillery to strike at Hezbollah targets in Lebanon

[anewaname]

I wouldn't be at all surprised if someone in Israel knew the attacks could happen and in some way allowed it. Being attacked by a weak opponent is the best thing that can happen to the current administration, because now they can sing the song "if you're not with us, you're a traitor" while they target internal political enemies related to administration's changes to the judiciary.

[Ganondworf]

I'd say both Hamas and Israel leadership need each other, and that is why there will never be a solution, neither by peace negotiations nor total victory of one side. For me it's the Orwellian (political) world of 1984 on a smaller scale.

[ChairmanPoo]

So..

[Rockeater]

Here's something that I learned a long time ago when I made this mistake, and that is that Hamas is not the Palestinian people, it is a terrorist organization that is in a happenstance and accidental sort of symbiotic relationship with the right wing in Israel. Neither can stay in power without their opponent, because both are examples of bad leadership.

I think this was said by high ranking Isrealy politicians, it isn't a secret here, it just a dinail

[da_nang]

War against Hamas has now been officially declared. At least 600 confirmed dead in Israel.