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[JimboM12]

I'm really happy to see the development of this game. Its mostly 4x, but with the fact that diplomacy is a legitimate option. In most 4's I've seen or played, diplomacy is something that's only useful for bots in most cases. But with the federation and influence systems, smaller nations can band together to defend themselves, making snowballing slightly less of an issue than normal.

With this game, snowballing can actually work against you in the long run as factions from within your civ may break off and run themselves independantly and youd have to recapture them and they may call your opponents to help. Its like a seriously hardcore (if its as bad as i think it is) version of gavelkind from ck2.

[Cruxador]

I'm really happy to see the development of this game. Its mostly 4x, but with the fact that diplomacy is a legitimate option. In most 4's I've seen or played, diplomacy is something that's only useful for bots in most cases. But with the federation and influence systems, smaller nations can band together to defend themselves, making snowballing slightly less of an issue than normal.

With this game, snowballing can actually work against you in the long run as factions from within your civ may break off and run themselves independantly and youd have to recapture them and they may call your opponents to help.

They can do that, but you have tons of opportunities to stop it, including pressing a button to spend influence, giving secessionists partial independence as vassals (who can be reintegrated) and not losing the independence war when they rebel. You can also choose options to mitigate both unhappiness and ethos drift (the causes of dissent) at empire creation, when researching technologies, and when building on your planets.

Its like a seriously hardcore (if its as bad as i think it is) version of gavelkind from ck2.

It's not as bad as you think it is, then.

[Teneb]

I'm really happy to see the development of this game. Its mostly 4x, but with the fact that diplomacy is a legitimate option. In most 4's I've seen or played, diplomacy is something that's only useful for bots in most cases. But with the federation and influence systems, smaller nations can band together to defend themselves, making snowballing slightly less of an issue than normal.

With this game, snowballing can actually work against you in the long run as factions from within your civ may break off and run themselves independantly and youd have to recapture them and they may call your opponents to help.

They can do that, but you have tons of opportunities to stop it, including pressing a button to spend influence, giving secessionists partial independence as vassals (who can be reintegrated) and not losing the independence war when they rebel. You can also choose options to mitigate both unhappiness and ethos drift (the causes of dissent) at empire creation, when researching technologies, and when building on your planets.

The thing is, what if these rebellions happen when, say, you are fighting two different empires at once? Or worse yet, being threatened by a fallen empire?

[Cruxador]

The thing is, what if these rebellions happen when, say, you are fighting two different empires at once? Or worse yet, being threatened by a fallen empire?

You might make a strategic decision to let them go, and you'll be no worse off than if you hadn't taken those worlds.

[sprinkled chariot]

I'm really happy to see the development of this game. Its mostly 4x, but with the fact that diplomacy is a legitimate option. In most 4's I've seen or played, diplomacy is something that's only useful for bots in most cases. But with the federation and influence systems, smaller nations can band together to defend themselves, making snowballing slightly less of an issue than normal.

With this game, snowballing can actually work against you in the long run as factions from within your civ may break off and run themselves independantly and youd have to recapture them and they may call your opponents to help.

They can do that, but you have tons of opportunities to stop it, including pressing a button to spend influence, giving secessionists partial independence as vassals (who can be reintegrated) and not losing the independence war when they rebel. You can also choose options to mitigate both unhappiness and ethos drift (the causes of dissent) at empire creation, when researching technologies, and when building on your planets.

The thing is, what if these rebellions happen when, say, you are fighting two different empires at once? Or worse yet, being threatened by a fallen empire?

Blockade their worlds, nuke their food production and continue orbital bombardment untill every last of those, who dared to rebel is dead.
Then exterminate all xenos from fallen empire and everyone, who dares to take your living space.
Best strategy.

[Culise]

Newest dev diary has gone up: It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine.

[Criptfeind]

HAKHAKHAK

I think the only real answer to extragalactic invaders is making a whole bunch of sentient robots to fight them off.

[Shadowlord]

HAKHAKHAK

I think the only real answer to extragalactic invaders is making a whole bunch of sentient robots to fight them off.

Or play the Ur-Quan Kzer-Za or Kohr-Ah.

Spoiler: Ur-Quan designed using http://kaisersly.github.io/stellaris_race_maker/ (click to show/hide)

Fanatic Militarist / Spiritualist
Divine Mandate
Very Strong / Repugnant / Solitary

Can build a mausoleum, which grants -10% ethics divergence on the planet on which it is built
+75% Alliance cost
+60% Army damage
+10% Minerals
-1% Other species happiness per POP
+50% Rivalry influence gain
+50% Slavery tolerance
+10% War happiness
+125% War tolerance

If you want an alien slavery acceptance bonus for Kzer-za, and the things being xenophobic unlocks, you could swap spiritualist to xenophobe and change government from divine mandate to military republic. That would change it to:
Admirals/generals are eligible for rulership
+50% Alien slavery tolerance
+75% Alliance cost
+60% Army damage
-15% Army upkeep
-5% Happiness
+10% Minerals
-1% Other species happiness per POP
+50% Rivalry influence gain
-15% Ship upkeep
+10% War happiness
+100% War tolerance
+10% Xenophobia

Other possibilities for traits using three 1-point positive traits instead of a 4-point positive are Nomadic/Resilient/Strong/Repugnant, or Enduring/Nomadic/Strong/Repugnant.

P.S. I'm not entirely sure what 'army damage' is!

[Teneb]

Army damage is very likely how effective ground troops are while attacking/defending in planetary invasions.

[Cruxador]

P.S. I'm not entirely sure what 'army damage' is!

Probably how much damage ground forces deal each combat round.

Army damage is very likely how effective ground troops are while attacking/defending in planetary invasions.

Even though ground combat is simplified compared to other Paradox games, I doubt it's simplified to the extent of having a simple "effectiveness" stat.

[Sirus]

Newest dev diary has gone up: It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine.

Bleh. It seems to be implying that the chance of an AI uprising is based around how many pops they have, which seems...dumb. What if you treat your sentient robot citizens as, well, actual citizens? While it might make sense for AI treated as slaves to attempt to exterminate their masters, why would AI that have fully integrated into a society do the same?

[Urist McScoopbeard]

Newest dev diary has gone up: It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine.

Bleh. It seems to be implying that the chance of an AI uprising is based around how many pops they have, which seems...dumb. What if you treat your sentient robot citizens as, well, actual citizens? While it might make sense for AI treated as slaves to attempt to exterminate their masters, why would AI that have fully integrated into a society do the same?

BEEP-BOOP! UH, NO REASON. BEEP-BOP!

[Majestic7]

It would be interesting if the rise of the robot nation would affect empires differently regarding on how they treat the robots. Slave-robots would rebel, segregated-and-oppressed robots would mostly rebel, citizen-robots might have a minority rebel, but many others start exodus to the new robot state and maybe some selecting to stay. (Depending on their ethos matches, maybe.)

The way it is portrayed though, I think the robots are not individually sentient in Stellaris but rather a networked AI. So the robot rebellion is the robots of all empires forming a gestalt consciousness that rebels as a whole. Maybe robot rights could then reflect in the relationship with the new robot overlord state.

[Wysthric]

We'd need some sort of countermeasures to a robotic state. Something like a galactic - wide EMP that destroys all robots, but also cuts research & production by like 80%?

[Criptfeind]

The countermeasure seems to be "Go out and kill them." Which seems fair enough.