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[JumpingJack]

I made Blackwatch in the race creator:

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Really cool. I'm on a bit of a Doctor Who binge at the moment, so I tried my hand at making the Time Lords:

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Scientists are eligible for Leadership

+50% Alliance cost
+10% Army damage
+5% Engineering output
+15% Growth time
+25% Leader experience gain
+30 Leader lifespan*
+20% Physics output
+1 Research alternative
+25% Rivalry influence gain
+5% Society output
+5% War happiness
+50% War tolerance
-10% Xenophobia

*Couldn't go with Venerable without piling on too many negative traits. Had to settle for Enduring.

Edit: While we're at it, how about some Daleks?

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Admirals/generals are eligible for rulership

+50% Alien slavery tolerance
+75% Alliance cost
+20% Army damage
+200% Bombardment resistance
-20% Ethics divergence
+100% Militia health
-1% Other species happiness per POP
+50% Rivalry influence gain
-10% Ship cost
-25% Ship upgrade cost
+10% War happiness
+75% War tolerance
+10% Xenophobia

Couldn't decide between Fanatic Militarist and Fanatic Xenophobe. To be honest, they're probably both, but I went with the former for the military bonuses.

[Retropunch]

I can see this being absolutely the go-to game for sci-fi total conversions. Whilst at the moment stuff is a bit simplistic (+/- basic stats and some bizarre locking - I want a collectivist science directorate!) I can imagine with some inventive modding you could get really unique feeling empires due to multi-tier system of ethos, government and traits.

My big fear is that they're going to be really slow on the modding front (especially in terms of releasing any tools) as they'll want to release a lot DLC/race packs and milk it for whatever they can first.

[Orange Wizard]

Assuming it's built on the Clausewitz engine, we should be able to mod a fair bit of stuff, short of drastically changing mechanics.

[MrWiggles]

My big fear is that they're going to be really slow on the modding front (especially in terms of releasing any tools) as they'll want to release a lot DLC/race packs and milk it for whatever they can first.

Where does this mentality come from?

[Criptfeind]

By the way, I remember in the blorg stream at one point they had pops that broke the 3 trait point limit, which seems to say to me that's only the starting limit. I wonder if you can socially engineer the socially perfect population, and I did hear at one point you can change your governments ethos, although it's unclear if you change it to what a pop is or if you're limited to the three point system. If you can change it to a pop I can imagine a quad fanatic future!

Where does this mentality come from?

I would guess, at least it would be for me if I thought this, it'd be from the way that they pump out a extremely high amount of dlc. Clearly the financial incentive is there.

[Aklyon]

Assuming it's built on the Clausewitz engine, we should be able to mod a fair bit of stuff, short of drastically changing mechanics.

I don't see why it wouldn't be, Paradox makes most of its stuff using that.

[Cruxador]

My big fear is that they're going to be really slow on the modding front (especially in terms of releasing any tools) as they'll want to release a lot DLC/race packs and milk it for whatever they can first.

They never released any tools for their other games, because generally the only tool you need to make major changes is notepad. Tons of stuff is just stored as plain text. The one thing that does kind of require a special tool is models, but someone from the community has recently made major progress there, and since it's all Clausewitz it should be relatively easy to transfer.

Assuming it's built on the Clausewitz engine, we should be able to mod a fair bit of stuff, short of drastically changing mechanics.

I don't see why it wouldn't be, Paradox makes most of its stuff using that.

All of its stuff I think, since switching to 3D. They confirmed that this is Clausewitz quite a while ago.

[Cicero]

This doesn't seem like a company opposed to modding... https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/hearts-of-iron-iv-development-diary-52-modding.920875/

Seriously I know hating on Paradox and their DLC strategy has been the flavour of the month for a little while but they have one of the better modding communities out there, and they support them really well. They made a number of changes to CK2 so that the Game of Thrones mod would work better. I can't think of any other major company that engages their fans as effectively as Paradox does.

[Retropunch]

Where does this mentality come from?

I would guess, at least it would be for me if I thought this, it'd be from the way that they pump out a extremely high amount of dlc. Clearly the financial incentive is there.

And yet so far as I'm aware it's not happened on their other games.

The mentality mainly stems from the amount of content/advancements that are obviously set for DLC (more varied/deep characters for instance) - if a mod manages that first, what's the point of anyone buying the DLC that does that?
 
Whilst we can say 'well any mod for any game could do that' -  with their historical games, they were recreating historical stuff that had limits and set people to emulate. Paradox could by and large do that best - they could add mechanics, detail, graphics and everything that suited those added cultures better than most could and most importantly, they had already covered most of the major bases already.

With Stellaris a lot of stuff is procgend, so you're basically just adding functionality, which I believe is something that they'll want to keep to themselves. They're basically competing with the modders in a more direct fashion than before. It's not that I don't think they'll ever allow or be happy with modding, I just wouldn't be surprised if they limit what can be done mechanics wise early on whilst they get all the missing functionality in place.

[JimboM12]

Basic Imperium of Man:

Spiritualist, Xenophobe, Militarist

Theocratic Oligarchy

Communal, Conformist
Decadent, Weak

+50% Alien slavery tolerance
+50% Alliance cost
-10% Army damage
-30% Ethics divergence
+10% Happiness
-10% Resource output without slaves
+25% Rivalry influence gain
+5% War happiness
+50% War tolerance
+10% Xenophobia

Seems legit. Could substitute Rapid Breeders for Communal.

[Teneb]

Aliens slaves? The only thing the Imperium wants with xenos is purging.

[JimboM12]

Aliens slaves? The only thing the Imperium wants with xenos is purging.

Unfortunately I don't see a way to enable alien purging. Maybe by alien slavery, they mean they try to slap chains on them after they kill them? Though, I could see the Imperium setting up giant work camps to enslave the Eldar and Tau.

*Edit, cant type today.

[Cruxador]

Purging requires either xenophobe of fanatic xenophobe. The building thing shows you the numerical bonuses, but it doesn't tell you everything about laws and technologies unlocked, both because there's too many, and because our knowledge of them so far is quite incomplete.

[Teneb]

We really all should be playing as the Ayy Lmao species to perform aggressive observation upon primitives.

[umiman]

Basic Imperium of Man:

Spiritualist, Xenophobe, Militarist

Theocratic Oligarchy

Communal, Conformist
Decadent, Weak

+50% Alien slavery tolerance
+50% Alliance cost
-10% Army damage
-30% Ethics divergence
+10% Happiness
-10% Resource output without slaves
+25% Rivalry influence gain
+5% War happiness
+50% War tolerance
+10% Xenophobia

Seems legit. Could substitute Rapid Breeders for Communal.

I was thinking about it but I don't think the Imperium of Man is communal or conformist, though it's certainly decadent and weak. (They can't even function as a society without servitors)

On the surface it might seem communal and conformist but if you know anything about the Imperium is that it's only loosely tied together by worship of the Emperor. Across its countless worlds and countless hegemonies are countless ruling styles which can be somewhat loosely classified into things like Feudal World, Hive World, etc. They mostly do their own thing except they pay tithes to the Emperor and worship the Emperor in some way and even the manner in they worship can vary quite a bit between worlds. Many of them associate His worship with the worship of their local sun for example.

Many worlds which have fallen technologically and regressed socially now have planetary governors assigned by the Imperium ruling over them in a space station while they live out their lives in a sort of medieval / primitive state. Worlds are so completely out of touch with each other that it's common that planets which have been completely eradicated of life for years can go unnoticed for decades or centuries.

So really, it's about as communal as we are communal today, which is to say not very communal at all. They're definitely rapid breeders though, as they're the only ones other than the Orks who's main strategy is to throw bodies at things until they die.