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[flazeo25]

Think we should buy a new floor, have our bats stationed outside hidden to act as scouts and pick off escapees.
While we do that have the rest of the points be used on second floor making pointless hallways leading to nowhere and station our troops closer to our heart so theirs none on first floor.

This plan would let our bats tell us of approaching enemys while luring them through the first floor where they lower their guard due to nothing being their then they would be walking into deadends leaving them worn out for us to ambush them.

[Ozarck]

I feel this turn is going to go poorly.

Im concerned that some people mayu be misunderstanding what minmaxing is :/

Merely buying critters isnt minmaxing.  Trying to override established gamemechanics to get free bats might qualify, however.

The debate about short vs long-term gain is valid.  Arguing that skelingtons are monotinous is kind of jesting at the stereotypes and reality of being a necromantic force in a graveyard, but fairly valid.

Y U no choose fairy forest if monotony gets you down?

I agree. it's just that we had two turns which took quite some time due to the discussion about what to ask the Cosmic guy, and people are anxious to move on. So I sympathize. And frankly, i'd have preferred either the forest or the mechanical as our base, really

Think we should buy a new floor, have our bats stationed outside hidden to act as scouts and pick off escapees.
While we do that have the rest of the points be used on second floor making pointless hallways leading to nowhere and station our troops closer to our heart so theirs none on first floor.

This plan would let our bats tell us of approaching enemys while luring them through the first floor where they lower their guard due to nothing being their then they would be walking into deadends leaving them worn out for us to ambush them.

There is no point to making a second floor and leaving the First empty. None at all. Like I've said to everyone saying "add rooms, but leave them empty," empty rooms can be walked through with ease. they do nothing to increase our security. Even less than spending all our DP on zombies and going for a "win by numbers" method, which Adwarf has warned us against.

[zomara0292]

Actually I was planning on doing things with the hallways and rooms, when I mentioned buying them. Like the fact that I wanted a medium or long hallway that acted simular to a underwater cavern, leading to another room, filled with anything to kill, or even treasure, or a dead end hallway. Things to slow down whoever makes it though our mobile defences.

Also, yes, while you do have a point that adding rooms hold a far smaller defensive value than making minions,  it still holds a value. A room that must be walked though to get to the core is still a room that must be walled though. And even empty rooms in themselves, if used correctly, can be a deathwish. What we lack to make it truely effective is enough leway and ingenuity,  or traps.

Like some really gritty and somewhat realistic animes have taught me: "A man can fight off an army, if the man is smart and the army is stupid."

[pisskop]

we should compromise and get a medium hallway and several bats to temporarily roost there.

and then skeles and zoms.  add the rooms 1 at a time.

[~Neri]

I do not understand the perceived usefulness of bats. Why do you think bats would be useful?

[pisskop]

Bats are the light cavalry of the undead.

[~Neri]

Have they done anything for us?

Anything at all?

We have proved skeletons and proved zombies. We have bats already and what they have done amounts to Jack Shit.

Lets purchase units that have proved useful, once the bats prove their use, we can get more of them. But there is absolutely no reason to blow 60dp on bats and then another fuckload of DP on a room for bats that probably cannot breed in the first place.

[zomara0292]

What hae ats had the opertunity to do to prove themselves.

[~Neri]

Exactly. Wait until the current bats prove themselves before blowing One Hundred And Fifteen DP On Them.

[zomara0292]

What hae ats had the opertunity to do to prove themselves.

sorry, I must have typed to fast and not looked at the resaults. Let me ask that again
When have the bats had the opertunity to prove themselves?

Spoiler: personal irritant rant (click to show/hide)

 The whole argument that you have to wait until someone proves themselves worthy of dumping value into before considering them of any value reminds me of when I started looking of a job. It wasnt the majority of the responces that I got, but a large number of people told me that I needed much more on the job experience for them to consider me for entry level jobs. Its like saying that. . .  I dont know, before I buy a bat to help defend the dungeon,  it must prove itself useful in defending the dungeon. Its backwards. Heck, the reason we got our first bat in the first place is because the skellies were to slow to catch the escaping invader,  which is what blew our secret in the first place. It can also be equated to the fact that people for some odd reason, say that others must prove trustworthy to be trusted. It makes no sense because it gives no starting point to get there, other than already being there.

On that note, yes, maybe 100+ dp is a bit much. Why not less? Why not just get the bats themselves?

[~Neri]

What hae ats had the opertunity to do to prove themselves.

sorry, I must have typed to fast and not looked at the resaults. Let me ask that again
When have the bats had the opertunity to prove themselves?

Spoiler: personal irritant rant (click to show/hide)

 The whole argument that you have to wait until someone proves themselves worthy of dumping value into before considering them of any value reminds me of when I started looking of a job. It wasnt the majority of the responces that I got, but a large number of people told me that I needed much more on the job experience for them to consider me for entry level jobs. Its like saying that. . .  I dont know, before I buy a bat to help defend the dungeon,  it must prove itself useful in defending the dungeon. Its backwards. Heck, the reason we got our first bat in the first place is because the skellies were to slow to catch the escaping invader,  which is what blew our secret in the first place. It can also be equated to the fact that people for some odd reason, say that others must prove trustworthy to be trusted. It makes no sense because it gives no starting point to get there, other than already being there.

On that note, yes, maybe 100+ dp is a bit much. Why not less? Why not just get the bats themselves?

Spoiler: Less ranty response rant: (click to show/hide)

We already sunk money into the bats. We have two of them. Lets wait until those do things before sinking money into more. It's like hiring a two people with no experience in the field, them doing nothing of import for a week, and then going "You know what. Lets hire more guys like that. They're really stellar workers. Lets spend more money on inexperienced and untested people who have yet to prove useful~!"

[Neonivek]

And thus we spend another turn just fielding more skeletons...

If we do this one more time... then we are making the bat breeding room no matter what the current situation is.

Though I'd like to count our Bat Breeding room votes... maybe we outvoted the people who want to... field more skeletons...

[~Neri]

What if we unlock traps? Could we get a trap room instead of a bat room?

[Twinwolf]

Maybe we should ask if bats can breed before we get them a breeding room?

[Neonivek]

Maybe,,, In fact we should spend everything on traps when it is available.

But I checked... we actually have quite a few people in support of the Bat Breeding room Versus "Lets field skeletons again"

We actually either tie or outnumber them.

Maybe we should ask if bats can breed before we get them a breeding room?

We get an extra room, and a bunch of bats. In terms of having fun it is a victory.

Besides we need more bats anyhow.