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[Ultimuh]

if this succeeds, it could lead to other games adding in VR support.

True, but for me VR is only a fad, a gimmick of sorts. At least until it really takes off and becomes the norm.

edit: I would not want to spend extra money on extra things just to be able to play a game though.
I am more exited for whenever a decent console that's made exclusively for VR, releases.

[Iceblaster]

I mean, honestly for VR to really take off, we need some high publicity companies pulling off successful VR launches. Then, most likely, more games for VR and even as you said, a console for VR and only VR might end up coming out. And then bam.

i'm just really optimistic about this. vr's just so cool and now we actually have the technology to do it :v

[NullForceOmega]

For VR to take off it needs to be more than an incredibly expensive, motion-sickness inducing rich peoples hobby toy.  The tech has been around for nearly three decades and it is still crap, it just looks better than it did.

[Retropunch]

For VR to take off it needs to be more than an incredibly expensive, motion-sickness inducing rich peoples hobby toy.  The tech has been around for nearly three decades and it is still crap, it just looks better than it did.

Have you used it? As in, properly used a Vive (and for more than a few minutes)?

I was very sceptical about it, but it's honestly amazing. I've never got motion-sickness from them (including my Gear VR, which has impressed a lot of people) and it's way, way better than it was. I've felt completely immersed in a way I never have with anything else.

 I also don't get what you mean by 'rich peoples hobby toy' - I mean, yeah, it's expensive, but people buy big TVs/Gaming PCs which are more expensive. Hell, it's not that much more expensive than a PS4 pro. They're all 'hobby toys' -the computer I'm writing this off is a 'hobby toy'. So I mean, yeah - no one's using it for work, it's a hobby/leisure device.

[NullForceOmega]

I have glaucoma, one of those conditions that responds poorly to things like screens being mere inches from my eyes, so no I haven't tried it, and I'm not going to.

As for it being a rich persons hobby toy, I have the money to maintain this computer, and NOTHING ELSE for gaming, so another several hundred dollars just for a library of shitty on-rails shooter, miserable walking simulator, or gods fuck everyone another piss-poor 'horror' games I'm not even going to play certainly makes it seem like a completely useless extravagance to me.

There is no sale here.  I cannot be convinced.  VR will never be acceptable to me until someone actually puts together a FULL immersion system, as in all five senses, and since the probability of that happening within my lifetime is practically nil, I'm just going to say no to every incarnation up to that point.

[Retropunch]

I have glaucoma, one of those conditions that responds poorly to things like screens being mere inches from my eyes, so no I haven't tried it, and I'm not going to.

Wut. So how can you say it's crap if you've never tried it!? I mean, these are problems specific to you - they don't affect the overwhelming majority of people. I'm not trying to persuade you to buy it or anything, just that you can't really say something is rubbish and useless just because you can't play it - especially if you've never actually tried it. As I say, I was sceptical at first, but after trying it I was pretty much immediately convinced.

As for it being a rich persons hobby toy, I have the money to maintain this computer, and NOTHING ELSE for gaming, so another several hundred dollars just for a library of shitty on-rails shooter, miserable walking simulator, or gods fuck everyone another piss-poor 'horror' games I'm not even going to play certainly makes it seem like a completely useless extravagance to me.

Can you not see the irony that you're commenting on the thread for the massive AAA title which is now coming to VR?

Lastly, what's a useless extravagance to you is not to the next. I know a lot of friends think I'm absolutely crazy to spend the amount I do on my PC - but it's my extravagance, much like cars are for some people and so on.

[Iceblaster]

I don't know why everyone tends to be so dismissive of something, then go on to say 'it's probably not going to happen in my lifetime.'

If VR ends up bombing and never recovering, like video games as a whole, then there won't be anymore VR stuff. It'll be done. No one will feel it's worth investing into something that makes no profit. Sure, the whole revival of the industry for video games kinda happened as a result of an establish company taking a risk, but still. The point stands.

So yeah. A little insight into why I'm so optimistic about this stuff. It's expensive and most of the games aren't that good, but who's the say VR should be dismissed as a fad or a cheap gimmick? Bethesda obviously sees a market and/or they have a wish to make one of their games VR compatible.

[Retropunch]

The thing is, that it works well enough that it already isn't a fad.

The hardware is out there and it works great - the games are coming out, and all the main game companies and game engine designers are going full steam ahead with it. Even if Oculus/vive folded, there is already enough momentum/games for other companies to take up the mantle (which they're already doing)

However, my prediction would be that we'll soon we'll reach a point where the vast majority of smart phones can deal with VR, and after that Facebook will do a massive push - I'd imagine a low cost headset from them for the mass consumer which works across most platforms. They'll push it so eye-wateringly hard that it'll become a success whether it's any good or not.

[NullForceOmega]

Wut. So how can you say it's crap if you've never tried it!? I mean, these are problems specific to you - they don't affect the overwhelming majority of people. I'm not trying to persuade you to buy it or anything, just that you can't really say something is rubbish and useless just because you can't play it - especially if you've never actually tried it. As I say, I was sceptical at first, but after trying it I was pretty much immediately convinced.

Can you not see the irony that you're commenting on the thread for the massive AAA title which is now coming to VR?

Lastly, what's a useless extravagance to you is not to the next. I know a lot of friends think I'm absolutely crazy to spend the amount I do on my PC - but it's my extravagance, much like cars are for some people and so on.

I'm going to answer these points and then I'm going to back out before this becomes an argument, I will read any response you post but will not respond to this particular discussion again.

1 ) Seriously?  You want to try that tired old "you've never tried it so how would you know?" argument that has been straight up bullshit since the moment it was first used?  Here: Tiny, but still very visible pixels mere inches (or cm/mm for you damned metric people) from my eyes pulsing at a barely perceptible but still very noticeable and adverse for ALL human eyes rate, combined with the disconnected feeling from any attempt at motion and the not insubstantial weight of the HMD make for what I would describe as a truly shitty unpleasant experience, something like a rollercoaster without the inertia, which sounds like fucking agony.  As for the 'problem exclusive to me', millions of people have glaucoma, so it isn't 'exclusive' at all, it is a small but measurable percentage of possible sales.

2 ) Can you not see the irony of defending a move to VR by a company that is well know for glitchy products and inadequate QA.

3) Your extravagance is an extravagance.  It is purely luxury, and not everyone is able or willing to expend large amounts of capital on said luxuries, the abysmal sales of VR thus far have made that abundantly clear.

That's it.  All I have to say on the subject.  I don't like it, you do, discussion over.

[Urist McScoopbeard]

Also VR is a gimmick and shit!!! WOOOO!!! Anarchy!!!

[Retropunch]

I'm going to answer these points and then I'm going to back out before this becomes an argument, I will read any response you post but will not respond to this particular discussion again.

1 ) Seriously?  You want to try that tired old "you've never tried it so how would you know?" argument that has been straight up bullshit since the moment it was first used?  Here: Tiny, but still very visible pixels mere inches (or cm/mm for you damned metric people) from my eyes pulsing at a barely perceptible but still very noticeable and adverse for ALL human eyes, combined with the disconnected feeling from any attempt at motion and the not insubstantial weight of the HMD make for what I would describe as a truly shitty unpleasant experience, something like a rollercoaster without the inertia, which sounds like fucking agony.  As for the 'problem exclusive to me', millions of people have glaucoma, so it isn't 'exclusive' at all, it is a small but measurable percentage of possible sales.

2 ) Can you not see the irony of defending a move to VR by a company that is well know for glitchy products and inadequate QA.

3) Your extravagance is an extravagance.  It is purely luxury, and not everyone is able or willing to expend large amounts of capital on said luxuries, the abysmal sales of VR thus far have made that abundantly clear.

That's it.  All I have to say on the subject.  I don't like it, you do, discussion over.

Not discussion over, no. It's a civilised debate, you don't have to respond, but you also can't declare 'discussion over!'.

1) The problem is, no one I know that's actually tried it has thought it was 'a truly shitty unpleasant experience' - they've all loved it, as obviously have a large amount of people otherwise it wouldn't sell at all. Quite a number of my friends have one device or another, and all my friends and family that have tried mine have loved it.

I'm sure some people don't like it, but you're going on 'how it sounds like it will be' rather than actually experiencing it. Lots of things sound rubbish in theory, but in practice work out well. So really, you can't come in and say how awful something is just on the sound of it, when people who have used it fully are saying it's great fun - surely you can see that they may know more than you in this case?

Also, Millions have glaucoma, but millions are in a wheelchair, it doesn't stop running machines from selling. It's a very, very small percentage and I'm sure it's something that they factored in.

2) Your point was that all there is are walking sims and minor gimmick games. Fallout 4 is distinctly not that, regardless of their QA process/how glitchy their games are. Your retort here seems like a bit of a non sequitur.

3) From what I understand, the sales have been sluggish but adequate - far from abysmal. Sure, it's not a PS2/xbox360 style launch, but it was never going to be. It was always marketed at enthusiasts to begin with, but things like the GearVR and similar are selling pretty mainstream.

[Urist McScoopbeard]

So what does a VR headset do that a screen can't??? Look sideways more easily?

Until you can put me into the game like the Matrix, VR is just funny way to look at your tv.

[Egan_BW]

With the headset used along with motion controls, it can actually end up feeling like a physical experience, yeah. At least from what I've heard from game critics, I can't afford VR.
Sound, visual, and kinesthetic sense can be enough to fool yourself to some extent, you don't need touch or smell or pain to kinda understand the space around you.

[umiman]

I've actually used Daydreams VR, Gear VR, and the Vive.

I have not been impressed though. It always just feels like a 360 degree computer monitor. Hell, the phone VR systems are just terrible in general with abysmal resolutions.

I gave up using the Playstation VR thing at a friend's place for Resident Evil because the discrepancy between the controls, on screen action, and what I was actually doing was too jarring for me. Not to mention the graphics were noticeably worse in VR than normal. To give an idea, to see "yourself" move "your" hands around while your real hands are just on a controller feels really disjointed. Every time that happened (basically nonstop) I kept losing my immersion. Also it had to keep fading to black whenever "your" head moved too drastically from what your real head would be doing. Basically, every single time you crouched, climbed a ladder, sat down, got thrown back, etc. etc. Again, very weird and disjointing.

I'll also mention VR porn, which I've also tried. Extensively. I do not really recommend it for the same reasons. I've read about people going "holy shit VR porn will make the human race go extinct" or whatever but it really isn't particularly great. Again, you have the same problems with what's going on on the screen being completely different from what you yourself are... ahem... doing. They can't move the location of the camera for fear of motion sickness and it just being really strange if they did so everything happens from one single camera angle. It feels alien and weird, like you've been transplanted into the eyes of someone you can't control. You want to move but you can't. All you can do is move your head like some sort of coma patient being molested. That being said, I'm sure if you're someone who does not have a lot of experience with tits hanging in front of your face, you'd probably love this as it feels quite real in that aspect.

I doubt I'd be running out to buy a Vive to play frigging Fallout 4 in VR.

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As on now, the only time I've preferred using VR over a regular screen was during racing sims. Then it's frigging amazing. I was completely and totally immersed to the point where I felt like I was racing a real car, checking my mirrors, looking at my car dash and so on. If you're a hardcore racing gamer, I highly recommend VR. I would imagine stuff like Elite Dangerous would be amazing with it too, but I haven't had a chance to try that either.

FPS... not so much. Maybe when they implement some kind of full body harness / controller. Because right now you can't even bloody crouch without it fading to black.

[Jimmy]

Also VR is a gimmick and shit!!! WOOOO!!! Anarchy!!!

Yep, that and the Twitters, Facebooks, and them phones with no buttons on 'em.