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[Sartain]

so, i did the quest the big digg.
during the quest, you have to herd 3 lobotomized npc through narrow tunnels.
two times i had to reload an early save because one of them got stuck, once i got killed because i was surrounded by the friendly npc, unable to move or hit the hostile npc.
once the final "door" did not open.
the final conversation was not triggerd, giving me no choice how to end the quest.
the legendary weapon did not drop.
after finishing the quest, the questgiver went hostile.

so noone say again this isnt the spirit of fallout here. quests broken like the classics, 10/10, would pirate next time.

The herding part of that mission is even more fun if you're wearing power armor while doing it and bring a companion who is also wearing power armor...

[Rolan7]

Makes perfect sense to me. No different than reading any other text in English.

Yeah okay I see it now...  I was expecting it to be clockwise.
I guess that order's not bad.  Given that they're mapping numbers to directions like that in the first place, which is entirely unnecessary.  It's a console thing which should have been changed in the PC version.  But as usual, modders will design a proper PC UI for them.

[motorbitch]

so, the antialiasing is pretty impressive, but what it does to the textures is kind of horrible.

however, using the reshade framework with lumasharpen of 2.0 can vastly reduce this.
a good guide how to set this up can be found here


oh, and if you are at it, and you think that the game is genally is to bright and to green, add HSV to the pipeline, with fColoriINtensityMod -0.04 and FsaturationModGreen -0.05
red will be red, and your gun metall will no longer be ghoulmetal.
it also will make you turn on your headlight sometimes.

 

[Virtz]

I'd also say the BoS is right to fear synths. Having entities that can infiltrate you with minimal chance of detection and are easy to program to think or do anything (to a point where a bunch of sewer-dwelling morons were able to do it) sounds incredibly dangerous. Like do you imagine something like that existing in the real world without legal regulations?

We have those, actually. They're this thing we call "people"

Yeah, all those undetectable programmed people out there that suddenly just replace other people without a trace.

If infiltration couldn't be done by humanity, we wouldn't have the concept of it to put into games.

And since this game takes place in a universe where any human can get perfect plastic surgery at roughly a moments notice (Deacon for example claims to change his face every month or so) its far from impossible to do without resorting to synths.

They can't change their memories and personality, tho. The problem with synths is their infiltration can be perfect with no means of detecting it. No psychological signs, no physical signs (unless somebody goes randomly poking around a person's insides to make sure they're not a synth), not even the awareness of being a synth. Human wise it'd be the equivalent of Babylon 5 psychics (heavily regulated and distrusted on that show, btw.). And that's not a thing that exists in the Fallout universe.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

To be honest, I'm not 100% sure on where I stand about Synths and AI in the first place. The game really threw me off since I had never put any thought into those questions.
I'd rather have synthethic life never be developed. I never see the point. Aren't the Mr Handys, Protectrons and Assaultrons, and Gen 1 Synths enough?
But once the mistake is already made, I wasn't given a reason to feel like terminating them.

I think the most interesting story is Deacon's. I'll put a separate spoiler for that, but it made me less prone to run for a gun when synths where involved.
It's not their fault they were made, and if there was a way to guarantee that they couldn't be reprogramed, it would be fine.

I also found the choice to keep or abandon the child synth Shaun really cool. The reactions were awesome. Some people just got enraged and went "I'm not your father!", some went with their protective instincts, etc.
In my case, I kept him because he was a gift from the real Shaun. It was not him - but it was part of him and of his work (that even twisted, was still sincere..and was still the protagonists' son).
I found it funny that Shaun says that on the holotape he tells the child to give you, which I suppose you only get if you keep him.
But it was a hard call to make...such a fucking perversion of technology, science and everything human.

Anyways, my opinion is a bit weird. Even though they are just machines, there are evidence of free will, feeling, etc.
I don't want more to be made (I don't think they should've been built at all), but I don't think they all should be destroyed either.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

There are many points to developing synthetic life. The first and foremost being the simple "so we aren't quite so alone" emotional one.
More logical reasons being that while synthetic life would be intelligent as humans it would provide differing viewpoints and strengths from organics, its thought processes being based on an entirely different system and all.
Granted some people likely find this idea threatening, but different viewpoints often result in an enhanced rate of scientific and cultural progress.
For proof of this look at the difference between America and the Middle East. One traditionally accepted pretty much everything different it could get its hands on, while the other has been following the same creed for the past few thousand years. Which of these places would YOU rather live?

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

How does that justify androids, tho? There's robots with sentience in the games and they're generally considered fine. Why would you want something that isn't human looking like a human?

Like people in Diamond City accept Valentine even though he's obviously a synth, and I'd guess it's because you can immediately tell from looking at him. The problem stems from hidden synths.

Makes perfect sense to me. No different than reading any other text in English.

Yeah okay I see it now...  I was expecting it to be clockwise.
I guess that order's not bad.  Given that they're mapping numbers to directions like that in the first place, which is entirely unnecessary.  It's a console thing which should have been changed in the PC version.  But as usual, modders will design a proper PC UI for them.

They already have.

[Flying Dice]

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

To be honest, I'm not 100% sure on where I stand about Synths and AI in the first place. The game really threw me off since I had never put any thought into those questions.
I'd rather have synthethic life never be developed. I never see the point. Aren't the Mr Handys, Protectrons and Assaultrons, and Gen 1 Synths enough?
But once the mistake is already made, I wasn't given a reason to feel like terminating them.

I think the most interesting story is Deacon's. I'll put a separate spoiler for that, but it made me less prone to run for a gun when synths where involved.
It's not their fault they were made, and if there was a way to guarantee that they couldn't be reprogramed, it would be fine.

I also found the choice to keep or abandon the child synth Shaun really cool. The reactions were awesome. Some people just got enraged and went "I'm not your father!", some went with their protective instincts, etc.
In my case, I kept him because he was a gift from the real Shaun. It was not him - but it was part of him and of his work (that even twisted, was still sincere..and was still the protagonists' son).
I found it funny that Shaun says that on the holotape he tells the child to give you, which I suppose you only get if you keep him.
But it was a hard call to make...such a fucking perversion of technology, science and everything human.

Anyways, my opinion is a bit weird. Even though they are just machines, there are evidence of free will, feeling, etc.
I don't want more to be made (I don't think they should've been built at all), but I don't think they all should be destroyed either.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

There are many points to developing synthetic life. The first and foremost being the simple "so we aren't quite so alone" emotional one.
More logical reasons being that while synthetic life would be intelligent as humans it would provide differing viewpoints and strengths from organics, its thought processes being based on an entirely different system and all.
Granted some people likely find this idea threatening, but different viewpoints often result in an enhanced rate of scientific and cultural progress.
For proof of this look at the difference between America and the Middle East. One traditionally accepted pretty much everything different it could get its hands on, while the other has been following the same creed for the past few thousand years. Which of these places would YOU rather live?

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

How does that justify androids, tho? There's robots with sentience in the games and they're generally considered fine. Why would you want something that isn't human looking like a human?

Like people in Diamond City accept Valentine even though he's obviously a synth, and I'd guess it's because you can immediately tell from looking at him. The problem stems from hidden synths.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Why is that different? Why are people who weren't born biologically not have the same personhood as people who were, to others? Why must people who were not born biologically be barred from having the appearance they desire, to you? Would you object if someone approached it from the opposite direction, i.e. a person becoming more machinelike? My initial guess would be "no", given the popularity of implants among New Vegas PCs. Do you refuse to take Adamantium Skeleton because of the implications?

They're all fictional people and their suffering is likewise fictional so this is basically a thought exercise... but why are some people not "really" people by virtue of the circumstances of their birth? The logic used to discriminate against AI and androids/gynoids in fiction can typically be mapped just about perfectly to the logic (such that it is) behind racism, sexism, &c. in the real world, but for some reason people seem to think that it's -different- when the people they're trying to de-person aren't human/weren't born biologically.

Don't get me wrong, the ethics of the Institute and Railroad are all kinds of fucked up... but those are humans causing those problems.

I'll avoid retreading the whole spiel I do about AI, childrearing, and self-fulfilling prophecies.

[Gabeux]

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

To be honest, I'm not 100% sure on where I stand about Synths and AI in the first place. The game really threw me off since I had never put any thought into those questions.
I'd rather have synthethic life never be developed. I never see the point. Aren't the Mr Handys, Protectrons and Assaultrons, and Gen 1 Synths enough?
But once the mistake is already made, I wasn't given a reason to feel like terminating them.

I think the most interesting story is Deacon's. I'll put a separate spoiler for that, but it made me less prone to run for a gun when synths where involved.
It's not their fault they were made, and if there was a way to guarantee that they couldn't be reprogramed, it would be fine.

I also found the choice to keep or abandon the child synth Shaun really cool. The reactions were awesome. Some people just got enraged and went "I'm not your father!", some went with their protective instincts, etc.
In my case, I kept him because he was a gift from the real Shaun. It was not him - but it was part of him and of his work (that even twisted, was still sincere..and was still the protagonists' son).
I found it funny that Shaun says that on the holotape he tells the child to give you, which I suppose you only get if you keep him.
But it was a hard call to make...such a fucking perversion of technology, science and everything human.

Anyways, my opinion is a bit weird. Even though they are just machines, there are evidence of free will, feeling, etc.
I don't want more to be made (I don't think they should've been built at all), but I don't think they all should be destroyed either.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

There are many points to developing synthetic life. The first and foremost being the simple "so we aren't quite so alone" emotional one.
More logical reasons being that while synthetic life would be intelligent as humans it would provide differing viewpoints and strengths from organics, its thought processes being based on an entirely different system and all.
Granted some people likely find this idea threatening, but different viewpoints often result in an enhanced rate of scientific and cultural progress.
For proof of this look at the difference between America and the Middle East. One traditionally accepted pretty much everything different it could get its hands on, while the other has been following the same creed for the past few thousand years. Which of these places would YOU rather live?

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

How does that justify androids, tho? There's robots with sentience in the games and they're generally considered fine. Why would you want something that isn't human looking like a human?

Like people in Diamond City accept Valentine even though he's obviously a synth, and I'd guess it's because you can immediately tell from looking at him. The problem stems from hidden synths.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Why is that different? Why are people who weren't born biologically not have the same personhood as people who were, to others? Why must people who were not born biologically be barred from having the appearance they desire, to you? Would you object if someone approached it from the opposite direction, i.e. a person becoming more machinelike? My initial guess would be "no", given the popularity of implants among New Vegas PCs. Do you refuse to take Adamantium Skeleton because of the implications?

They're all fictional people and their suffering is likewise fictional so this is basically a thought exercise... but why are some people not "really" people by virtue of the circumstances of their birth? The logic used to discriminate against AI and androids/gynoids in fiction can typically be mapped just about perfectly to the logic (such that it is) behind racism, sexism, &c. in the real world, but for some reason people seem to think that it's -different- when the people they're trying to de-person aren't human/weren't born biologically.

Don't get me wrong, the ethics of the Institute and Railroad are all kinds of fucked up... but those are humans causing those problems.

I'll avoid retreading the whole spiel I do about AI, childrearing, and self-fulfilling prophecies.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Thanks for enlightening my sleepy mind BFEL, now I see some adequate points. 

I agree with what Virtz said about not having them look like humans. IIRC the Brotherhood only express hatred towards Synths that look like humans - they call them weapons of war and mass destruction - but I guess they see usual Synths like normal robots. That would conflict with what Flying Dice said about their freedom to choose their appearence..but, well, remember Geths from Mass Effect?
From what I can recall, from their inception, to their sentience development, to the war against their makers, they never wanted or mentioned wanting to look like their makers. And I think the case for Geths was way more acceptable since they weren't designed as replacements for the makers. The constructor race, however, lost their shit on the first signs of sentience and tried to shut them down. Now that's racism and intolerance right there - Sentient Geths would get destroyed and won't even react because they didn't know what was happening (in the beginning - they later rised to defend their owners which would be murdered if they didn't surrender their Geths, which ensued a war later on).
In the case of Synths, Institute built them aiming at sentience and self-awareness, aiming at using it to hurt humans. So it is understandable that a lot of people will see and treat them like weapons.

What I mean with this is that I believe that the context of AI inception will dictate the public opinion more than the actual debate of wether 'synthetic lives matter'.
Of course, as Flying Dice said, this is all fiction. Another example is the movie Ex Machina, which it's all well and dandy when the girl looks like a machine. But when she dresses and looks like a human you can't help but think "Wait..is this right?". At least that's the reaction from everyone I know who watched it.

Now, if we were to transfer this to real life, I don't know yet where I would stand. I'd be way more acceptive of things if the rule was "You're not human, so you shouldn't look like one".
However, I'm not sure if we ourselves have laws to prevents us from doing surgeries to look like an animal, or something. Since I sexually identify myself as an attack helicopter, I guess I should try it out. 

[sprinkled chariot]

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

To be honest, I'm not 100% sure on where I stand about Synths and AI in the first place. The game really threw me off since I had never put any thought into those questions.
I'd rather have synthethic life never be developed. I never see the point. Aren't the Mr Handys, Protectrons and Assaultrons, and Gen 1 Synths enough?
But once the mistake is already made, I wasn't given a reason to feel like terminating them.

I think the most interesting story is Deacon's. I'll put a separate spoiler for that, but it made me less prone to run for a gun when synths where involved.
It's not their fault they were made, and if there was a way to guarantee that they couldn't be reprogramed, it would be fine.

I also found the choice to keep or abandon the child synth Shaun really cool. The reactions were awesome. Some people just got enraged and went "I'm not your father!", some went with their protective instincts, etc.
In my case, I kept him because he was a gift from the real Shaun. It was not him - but it was part of him and of his work (that even twisted, was still sincere..and was still the protagonists' son).
I found it funny that Shaun says that on the holotape he tells the child to give you, which I suppose you only get if you keep him.
But it was a hard call to make...such a fucking perversion of technology, science and everything human.

Anyways, my opinion is a bit weird. Even though they are just machines, there are evidence of free will, feeling, etc.
I don't want more to be made (I don't think they should've been built at all), but I don't think they all should be destroyed either.

Spoiler: Danse and Deacon's Backstory (click to show/hide)

Deacon had a wife once, and he only discovered she was a synth AFTER they were married. He loved a synth and hey, she didn't try to kill him.
But to me, Danse's the biggest evidence that there's no reason for synth genocide. He himself recognizes that he's a machine and that something like that shouldn't exist. Even if he was repurposed to think like the Brotherhood, wanting to be destroyed (bypassing self-preservation) and sacrifice himself in order to protect and help mankind can't just be programming.

I still have to process everything, though, as it was quite a lot.

E:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

I think that there was very little explanation, as others mentioned, about the institute reasons' behind kinappings, replacing humans, experimenting stuff on humans and the like.
You can't even ask about that to anyone there. There's little info on Railroad and Minutemen background too. It almost feels deliberate.

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I dont get why you have problems with mr handys and assaultrons( and other prewar sentient robots, I suppose?)
They went batshit insane just because of being 200 years without repairs/ being in world full of raiders and feral ghouls/ being alone in some forgotten prewar faculty. Before the war they were doing pretty fine may be  except mr handys in general atomics gallery, but this was faulty experimental programming
.

[Gabeux]

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

To be honest, I'm not 100% sure on where I stand about Synths and AI in the first place. The game really threw me off since I had never put any thought into those questions.
I'd rather have synthethic life never be developed. I never see the point. Aren't the Mr Handys, Protectrons and Assaultrons, and Gen 1 Synths enough?
But once the mistake is already made, I wasn't given a reason to feel like terminating them.

I think the most interesting story is Deacon's. I'll put a separate spoiler for that, but it made me less prone to run for a gun when synths where involved.
It's not their fault they were made, and if there was a way to guarantee that they couldn't be reprogramed, it would be fine.

I also found the choice to keep or abandon the child synth Shaun really cool. The reactions were awesome. Some people just got enraged and went "I'm not your father!", some went with their protective instincts, etc.
In my case, I kept him because he was a gift from the real Shaun. It was not him - but it was part of him and of his work (that even twisted, was still sincere..and was still the protagonists' son).
I found it funny that Shaun says that on the holotape he tells the child to give you, which I suppose you only get if you keep him.
But it was a hard call to make...such a fucking perversion of technology, science and everything human.

Anyways, my opinion is a bit weird. Even though they are just machines, there are evidence of free will, feeling, etc.
I don't want more to be made (I don't think they should've been built at all), but I don't think they all should be destroyed either.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

I dont get why you have problems with mr handys and assaultrons( and other prewar sentient robots, I suppose?)
They went batshit insane just because of being 200 years without repairs/ being in world full of raiders and feral ghouls/ being alone in some forgotten prewar faculty. Before the war they were doing pretty fine may be  except mr handys in general atomics gallery, but this was faulty experimental programming
.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

You got me wrong - it's actually the opposite.
I don't have a problem with those. What I meant is..aren't they enough? Why take the next step to make them completely sentient AND human-like?
Synths are clearly not simple machines as a Protectron is, and that generates many issues.

[KingofstarrySkies]

Boy would I love to open them speilers, but I really want to not spoil myself due to still not having the game (WAAHHHH)

So I got a-thinkin', due to the title, about how much fun mods are gonna be. WH40K power armor. Hohboy.

[Flying Dice]

It's mostly just arguing about AI that occasionally brushes against the plot.

[BigD145]

So I got a-thinkin', due to the title, about how much fun mods are gonna be. WH40K power armor. Hohboy.

No, we obviously need this:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Magical Girl sparkle

[ZebioLizard2]

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

To be honest, I'm not 100% sure on where I stand about Synths and AI in the first place. The game really threw me off since I had never put any thought into those questions.
I'd rather have synthethic life never be developed. I never see the point. Aren't the Mr Handys, Protectrons and Assaultrons, and Gen 1 Synths enough?
But once the mistake is already made, I wasn't given a reason to feel like terminating them.

I think the most interesting story is Deacon's. I'll put a separate spoiler for that, but it made me less prone to run for a gun when synths where involved.
It's not their fault they were made, and if there was a way to guarantee that they couldn't be reprogramed, it would be fine.

I also found the choice to keep or abandon the child synth Shaun really cool. The reactions were awesome. Some people just got enraged and went "I'm not your father!", some went with their protective instincts, etc.
In my case, I kept him because he was a gift from the real Shaun. It was not him - but it was part of him and of his work (that even twisted, was still sincere..and was still the protagonists' son).
I found it funny that Shaun says that on the holotape he tells the child to give you, which I suppose you only get if you keep him.
But it was a hard call to make...such a fucking perversion of technology, science and everything human.

Anyways, my opinion is a bit weird. Even though they are just machines, there are evidence of free will, feeling, etc.
I don't want more to be made (I don't think they should've been built at all), but I don't think they all should be destroyed either.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

I dont get why you have problems with mr handys and assaultrons( and other prewar sentient robots, I suppose?)
They went batshit insane just because of being 200 years without repairs/ being in world full of raiders and feral ghouls/ being alone in some forgotten prewar faculty. Before the war they were doing pretty fine may be  except mr handys in general atomics gallery, but this was faulty experimental programming
.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

You got me wrong - it's actually the opposite.
I don't have a problem with those. What I meant is..aren't they enough? Why take the next step to make them completely sentient AND human-like?
Synths are clearly not simple machines as a Protectron is, and that generates many issues.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

They could be comparable to Robo-brains in use, since those have actual minds hooked up.

[GiglameshDespair]

So I got a-thinkin', due to the title, about how much fun mods are gonna be. WH40K power armor. Hohboy.

No, we obviously need this:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Magical Girl sparkle

What even is that?

[BFEL]

So I got a-thinkin', due to the title, about how much fun mods are gonna be. WH40K power armor. Hohboy.

No, we obviously need this:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Magical Girl sparkle

What even is that?

[TheBiggerFish]

So I got a-thinkin', due to the title, about how much fun mods are gonna be. WH40K power armor. Hohboy.

No, we obviously need this:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Magical Girl sparkle

What even is that?