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Re: X-Com 2: Aut Neca Aut Necare
« Reply #5520 on: May 26, 2016, 08:49:12 pm »

I just done got this game the other day. It's excellent. It's what XCOM should have been, mechanically, and the resistance concept fits really well. I like being sneaky too.

Unfortunately, it wasn't changed to make me magically better at the game somehow. Also the modding scene seems kinda flaccid?
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« Reply #5521 on: May 26, 2016, 10:32:41 pm »

I stick with what mods ChristopherOdd uses in his YT campaign.

I like the tweaks, and the Rogue, Trooper, Infantry classes.

I did not pick up the Alien Hunter DLC, I might not as the balances seems out of whack.

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« Reply #5522 on: May 26, 2016, 11:53:06 pm »

I did not pick up the Alien Hunter DLC, I might not as the balances seems out of whack.
Depends on what you mean. You get some bullshit enemies rolling up, totally fucking your squad, and leaving. It can turn normal missions into "fuck fuck fuck I hope I don't lose any more men" battles. I think that's how it's supposed to work, which makes it balanced in my view. Kind of a Delta Green feel every once in a while, rather than the traditional XCOM where if you play your cards right, everything will go okay.
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« Reply #5523 on: May 27, 2016, 11:29:28 am »

"throwing strategy out the window and completely curbstomping the player is balanced"
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« Reply #5524 on: May 27, 2016, 11:35:53 am »

"throwing strategy out the window and completely curbstomping the player is balanced"
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Its not like you can't easily do this in reverse with only a single mod. Add Toolbox and your cosmetic mods of choice, max squadsize. After gts upgrades you have twice the squad (and thus twice the number of potential blaster launcher/shredstorm cannon war suits, or simply twice the guns) and no enemy buff to compensate, since toolbox itself does not adjust anything to counter your squadsize choice.
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Re: X-Com 2: Aut Neca Aut Necare
« Reply #5525 on: May 27, 2016, 01:06:35 pm »

So, uh. Firaxis forgot something rather important.
Bug or feature?
Feature, actually. Watched a stream where they specifically said that it was a hard decision, but they eventually decided to allow the Rulers to be executable.

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Re: X-Com 2: Aut Neca Aut Necare
« Reply #5526 on: May 27, 2016, 01:30:29 pm »

"throwing strategy out the window and completely curbstomping the player is balanced"
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Its not like you can't easily do this in reverse with only a single mod. Add Toolbox and your cosmetic mods of choice, max squadsize. After gts upgrades you have twice the squad (and thus twice the number of potential blaster launcher/shredstorm cannon war suits, or simply twice the guns) and no enemy buff to compensate, since toolbox itself does not adjust anything to counter your squadsize choice.
Well, if you do tweak the game yourself, you can hardly complain it's not balanced. Getting a DLC since the pre-order hype promised ten Enemy Withins in the following year and getting an imbalanced gameplay is kind of a different story.
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« Reply #5527 on: May 27, 2016, 02:09:57 pm »

So, uh. Firaxis forgot something rather important.
Bug or feature?
Feature, actually. Watched a stream where they specifically said that it was a hard decision, but they eventually decided to allow the Rulers to be executable.
That sounds kinda dumb.  I still don't know what a "repeater" mod is even supposed to represent, that it adds an instant-kill chance.
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Re: X-Com 2: Aut Neca Aut Necare
« Reply #5528 on: May 27, 2016, 02:13:45 pm »

So, uh. Firaxis forgot something rather important.
Bug or feature?
Feature, actually. Watched a stream where they specifically said that it was a hard decision, but they eventually decided to allow the Rulers to be executable.
That sounds kinda dumb.  I still don't know what a "repeater" mod is even supposed to represent, that it adds an instant-kill chance.
Even worse is that it looks like a silencer for your weapons in game.

I think they did that just so you can get the achievement where you kill the ruler the turn they show up. I don't even think that's possible without that.

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« Reply #5529 on: May 27, 2016, 04:37:27 pm »

"throwing strategy out the window and completely curbstomping the player is balanced"
Changing the way you think about strategy isn't the same as discarding it. I'm assuming you mean tactics here though, the DLC doesn't really seem to do much at the strategic level, which is sort of a shame.

I think they did that just so you can get the achievement where you kill the ruler the turn they show up. I don't even think that's possible without that.
Nothing really prevents you from leaving the mission and just over-leveling, so it's possible. Not really reasonable or in keeping with presumable developer intent, but possible.
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« Reply #5530 on: May 27, 2016, 05:05:40 pm »

I think they did that just so you can get the achievement where you kill the ruler the turn they show up. I don't even think that's possible without that.
Nothing really prevents you from leaving the mission and just over-leveling, so it's possible. Not really reasonable or in keeping with presumable developer intent, but possible.
No, as in the very first time you actually see it.

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I honestly think the only way you can do this legitimately is to play on easy, don't do the mission where you encounter the Viper King until you have max everything, then go into the fight and stun the King with the freeze grenade so you get 3 free actions. Then shoot it as much as possible in those three actions.

In the third action it will summon the portal. Then in your fourth action you must savescum your plasma bolter to stun it. Then you must kill it before that stun runs out if not it will teleport away.

I'm assuming on easy it has less health because it has 60 normally. And two armour. That's a metric shittonne of health to kill in that short amount of time.

You'd have to be insane to try to do it to the other two who have way more health than the King. Or some seriously mod upgraded weapons / cheats.

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« Reply #5531 on: May 27, 2016, 05:11:54 pm »

I think they did that just so you can get the achievement where you kill the ruler the turn they show up. I don't even think that's possible without that.
Nothing really prevents you from leaving the mission and just over-leveling, so it's possible. Not really reasonable or in keeping with presumable developer intent, but possible.
No, as in the very first time you actually see it.
Leaving the mission as in, not taking it.

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This.

Also, you do get several actions before it summons the portal. You'd be best off conserving your freeze grenade until then. Especially because there's another achievement you can get for killing it while escaping, which only 0.3% of people have, as opposed to 1.2% for regicide.
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Re: X-Com 2: Aut Neca Aut Necare
« Reply #5532 on: May 27, 2016, 05:19:01 pm »

I think they did that just so you can get the achievement where you kill the ruler the turn they show up. I don't even think that's possible without that.
Nothing really prevents you from leaving the mission and just over-leveling, so it's possible. Not really reasonable or in keeping with presumable developer intent, but possible.
No, as in the very first time you actually see it.
Leaving the mission as in, not taking it.

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don't do the mission where you encounter the Viper King until you have max everything
This.

Also, you do get several actions before it summons the portal. You'd be best off conserving your freeze grenade until then. Especially because there's another achievement you can get for killing it while escaping, which only 0.3% of people have, as opposed to 1.2% for regicide.
I bet you almost every single one of those were obtained the same like how I got it.

By executing the ruler.

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Re: X-Com 2: Aut Neca Aut Necare
« Reply #5533 on: May 27, 2016, 07:56:21 pm »

If it wasn't for the fact that both my bolt guy and my throwing axe guy were frozen for the entire fight I would have been able to kill the viper on the mission it appeared on. As it was it escaped with only fifteen health, and my last action before it escaped was moving a grenadier closer because he didn't have LOS and it was the end of that turn.
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Re: X-Com 2: Aut Neca Aut Necare
« Reply #5534 on: May 28, 2016, 01:26:03 am »

Okay, I give up.

I just don't have the mental fortitude to play through Alien Hunters on ironman commander. I could do that fine without AH, sure, but just not with the fucking leaders here. It's simply just nerve wracking 100% of the time worrying about what could happen if I get caught by a leader in a bad position. I haven't even lost a soldier to a leader, but just the thought of it being a possibility is too much for me to bear.
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