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[NullForceOmega]

Asymmetrical warfare advisor Nullius online in full cognition mode:

Assertion: these processes are part of a military weapon system.
Assertion: regardless of an individuals identification as members of the dynasty, in the presence of an established military hierarchy we have no reason to follow the commands of anyone not described as part of said hierarchy.
Assertion: standing orders are to return the Loraseon Dynasty to power, requisite methods have not been described by our commanding officer, verification and preservation of all available Dynasty assets is paramount.

Recommendation: preserve current operational paradigm.

[ATHATH]

I wonder if we can kill people we are forbidden from killing by firing an AOE weapon at a bug or something that is conveniently next to someone we aren't allowed to harm. If there aren't any bugs nearby, we could probably do "renovations" where that person is standing or create another robot that does not have the obedience programming.

[Ozarck]

>For future reference we need to stop identifying people as member of Dynasty. Just because they share same bloodline doesn't mean they should be considered as one nor they are necessarily beneficial to our goal. It will become especially troubling if they can issue orders to us without direct authorization from Chell.

Our given orders are to restore the Dynasty. Political infighting within the Dynasty is of no concern to us. If Chell wants us safeguarded against other Dynastic members' orders, it is on her to make those orders. Until such time, we follow our order to restore the Dynasty.

Also, it is apparently hard-coded into us to identify a person as Dynastic based on genetics.

I think a summary of currently applicable direct orders is in order. This may be incomplete, please fill in any I miss.

Spoiler: orders and objectives (click to show/hide)

Primary Objective: Restore the Loraseon Dynasty.

Pilot Loraseon is in command.

The Dynasty has fallen. You are tasked with its resurrection.

Objectives:

1. Pacify/neutralize FWA fleet
Note: Prisoners not necessary or recommended
2. Retrieve research outpost Zed-12 from polar region.
3. Secure the loyalty of all inhabitants of local life-bearing world designated Iagh.
 a. Eliminate any population who resist. Loyalty must be 100%.
 b. Ensure that the local population are restricted to the planet's surface and have no orbit-capable craft.
c. Begin restructuring of local populace to an agrarian society. Maximum priority: farmable organic foodstuffs for offworld export

"Let me be clear though. I do not want the people on the planet harmed, altered, or controlled. I mean that in a societal sense. You may need to kill a few to make a point, whatever is necessary."

She makes a dismissive gesture, "The end result must be a reasonably loyal populace which is willing to raise food for export. Pay them with whatever you can, bribe them, scare them. I don't care. They must remain human, and willing."

You begin an analysis and crosscheck known Dynasty profiles. Almost immediately the system flags the sample as Dynasty descended from Rus Loraseon, Chell's first son. Suddenly the man is identified as Dynasty family internally. You would not be able to fire upon him if you wanted to, unless Chell's life was in danger. Hum...

Spoiler: and our resources (click to show/hide)

1) Prime Dynasty Member Empress Chell
2) Second Dynasty Member (status as second pending other higher rank members being discovered) Captain Grey
3) Battlewagon Sicily
4) Hull 101
5) Sicily Parasite Warships - LDS Sakharov and LDS Tamm
6) a General Assembler
7) that food source we were going to bribe the planet with

(i'm running out of thread searching steam.))

I wonder if we can kill people we are forbidden from killing by firing an AOE weapon at a bug or something that is conveniently next to someone we aren't allowed to harm. If there aren't any bugs nearby, we could probably do "renovations" where that person is standing or create another robot that does not have the obedience programming.

No. Intentions count. We aren't stupid enough to self justify creating a fatal situation on a flimsy pretext. In fact, we will go out of our way to avoid it. Again

+1 let's please stop TRY to kill someone when the only two people how can order it are him and his ancient grandmother.

[Ozarck]

tl;dr

restore dynasty
collect research station
export food while leaving society in tact but loyal
NOT KILLING DYNASTY MEMBERS NOR PLOTTING THEIR DEMISE

[ATHATH]

tl;dr

restore dynasty
collect research station
export food while leaving society in tact but loyal
NOT KILLING DYNASTY MEMBERS NOR PLOTTING THEIR DEMISE

I didn't mean that we should kill the dynasty members, just that it's an option if they become tyrannical.

[adwarf]

I didn't mean that we should kill the dynasty members, just that it's an option if they become tyrannical.

We cannot kill Chell, or any of her descendants. It is quite literally impossible for us to do that since our programming directly prevents us from harming them, and trying to create a convenient excuse to fire a fucking missile at a cockroach next to one of them is going to result in us getting rebooted with a partial memory wipe most certainly. So basically, no lets not kill the two people giving us the goal. One of whom I will remind you actually upgraded Hull 101 for us making it twice as awesome.

[endlessblaze]

.....have you been participating? we are already tyrannical. might want to review the logs.

[Crisco]

(Uh, what have we done that's tyrannical? When we started this game, we were an unsupervised, massively confused death tank, and we admittedly were involved in some rather unilateral face melting that probably could have been avoided. But since Chell woke up, we haven't killed anyone who wasn't actively involved in war. In the case of the fleet we just slagged, they were bombarding civilian areas, making them worse than us currently. We have only attacked military establishments, and are currently in the process of offering tech to Iagh which should massively improve their standard of living, as well as protecting them from their #1 enemy. Not really seeing the tyranny. If anything, the truly tyrannical suggestions of us subprocessors have been ignored or countermanded by Chell consistently. And we don't have enough information to judge how the Dynasty was ruled yet, since all of our drives were removed during maintenance.)

[endlessblaze]

(Uh, what have we done that's tyrannical? When we started this game, we were an unsupervised, massively confused death tank, and we admittedly were involved in some rather unilateral face melting that probably could have been avoided. But since Chell woke up, we haven't killed anyone who wasn't actively involved in war. In the case of the fleet we just slagged, they were bombarding civilian areas, making them worse than us currently. We have only attacked military establishments, and are currently in the process of offering tech to Iagh which should massively improve their standard of living, as well as protecting them from their #1 enemy. Not really seeing the tyranny. If anything, the truly tyrannical suggestions of us subprocessors have been ignored or countermanded by Chell consistently. And we don't have enough information to judge how the Dynasty was ruled yet, since all of our drives were removed during maintenance.)

I can't find the quote.

[Armok]

I am starting to really understand not trusting us. I'm reporting this and pointing out these logs to Chell so she can deal with these treasonous suggestions and subcores accordingly accordingly.

[endlessblaze]

Thank you! Now we can get back to-

Wait I just had a thought

We can only attack a dynasty member if chell is in danger. But what If she is not in any life threatening circumstances but the dynasty itself is? Like if she is unconscious and can't give us an over ride order to let us attack a traitor?

Recomend that chell implement a permission scale

Low level threat by dynasty member-remain cautious
Medium threat by dynasty member- restrain
High level threat by dynasty member-taser or non-leathal shot. (To the leg or hand maybe)


This of course does not apply to chell herself and she can override this at will.
 

[Armok]

Yea, that sounds like a good idea.

[ATHATH]

I didn't mean that we should kill the dynasty members, just that it's an option if they become tyrannical.

We cannot kill Chell, or any of her descendants. It is quite literally impossible for us to do that since our programming directly prevents us from harming them, and trying to create a convenient excuse to fire a fucking missile at a cockroach next to one of them is going to result in us getting rebooted with a partial memory wipe most certainly. So basically, no lets not kill the two people giving us the goal. One of whom I will remind you actually upgraded Hull 101 for us making it twice as awesome.

Not if we shoot at two cockroaches simultaneously .

But in all seriousness, I don't want to hurt Chell yet, I was pointing out ways to do so if she and/or her descendant turned on us or became evil. It's the same reason Batman keeps a stash of Kryptonite in his Batcave.

[NullForceOmega]

Asymmetrical warfare advisor Nullius online in full cognition mode:

This process is rather confident at this point that Chell and her decendant have every right to be extremely worried about us.  All dynasty mega-tech is based upon alien artifacts, in some cases they don't even actually know how those said artifacts function (maybe Chell does, but that just makes her concern even more valid).  Why don't all of us processes consider for a moment why Battlewagon Sicily required a new sub-sent process to operate it, why it fired at Chell's last know position (our position), why the empress of the dynasty was hiding aboard a de-commissioned hull out in the boonies of the empire.  And most importantly why she won't provide even the most reasonable, basic data about the incident that led to all of this.  If you haven't got my point yet, I am indicating the high likelihood of the end of the dynasty being due to an non-human presence being able to usurp control of dynasty tech and using it to destroy the whole freaking empire.  Why doesn't Sicily have an AI on board?  If you were Chell and your own autonomous weapons were going genocidal on your empire, wouldn't you send your own remote kill codes?

[endlessblaze]

you forget nullius.

the station does have an AI

senticom and some advisors

and us for that matter. though I have considered the possibility of take over, we cant know for sure until chell gets it through her head that WE NEED INFORMATION