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[IcyTea31]

In the experimental, most of the professions that start with guns start with no magazines. They're not particularly useful at the moment.

[Arcvasti]

*rolls new character* *picks random profession* *leaves stats all 8's and skills all 0's* *smashes locker, grabs rock, makes makeshift crowbar* *goes outside, wanders around looking for mi-go* *eventually finds one, beats to death with makeshift crowbar*

Yeah. Not seeing the problem here. Unless you were too encumbered or you were crippled from pain/cold I don't see what the problem is. Just make sure you drop your backpack and emergency jacket or whatever and kill the damn thing.

Recreating this experiment[Three times] yields me dying in a couple turns to the mi-go while is spouts spooky dialogue. This is with zero torso encumbrance, for the record. Unless mi-go have been nerfed to basic zombie level strength since 0.C[Which is possible, but unlikely], the above is patently false. A proper character a week or so in would have had much less trouble, but they're still pretty fast and quite deadly.

[Fniff]

In the experimental, most of the professions that start with guns start with no magazines. They're not particularly useful at the moment.

Speaking of, I really like how guns work now. I imagine some people don't, but I just like a post-apocalyptic game that treats guns as powerful and specifically makes sure that you can't have them. Even the Last of Us had you lugging around an armory by the end.

[Tawa]

In the experimental, most of the professions that start with guns start with no magazines. They're not particularly useful at the moment.

Speaking of, I really like how guns work now. I imagine some people don't, but I just like a post-apocalyptic game that treats guns as powerful and specifically makes sure that you can't have them. Even the Last of Us had you lugging around an armory by the end.

Are you talking about a recent change, or the fact that gun stores are now locked up and inaccessible without higher-level equipment (e.g. acetylene torches, hacksaws)?

I agree though. It felt wrong when a viable new-game strategy was to run into town for the nearest gun store and just shoot your way back out. Although, I think that their extreme inaccessibility is a little irritating sometimes; it makes playing weaker characters who're smarter than they are brawny a lot harder than before. Maybe there could be a "robbed gun store" variant with smashed windows that spawns worse/fewer guns and ammo?

[Darkmere]

Are there still the gun basements? More than once I ran into one of those long before finding the stuff to loot a gun store.

[blazing glory]

or the fact that gun stores are now locked up and inaccessible without higher-level equipment (e.g. acetylene torches, hacksaws)?

Unless something is changed, I've actually managed to get into Gun stores perfectly fine with 5 improvised lockpicks and no real skill, just try again and again and it'll eventually open.

[iceball3]

or the fact that gun stores are now locked up and inaccessible without higher-level equipment (e.g. acetylene torches, hacksaws)?

Unless something is changed, I've actually managed to get into Gun stores perfectly fine with 5 improvised lockpicks and no real skill, just try again and again and it'll eventually open.

My little sister, while playing this game, actually managed to get into a gun store her own way: she found a functioning light tank with shells left, aimed it at the back wall, and blew a hole in it. Was pretty cool.

[Tawa]

or the fact that gun stores are now locked up and inaccessible without higher-level equipment (e.g. acetylene torches, hacksaws)?

Unless something is changed, I've actually managed to get into Gun stores perfectly fine with 5 improvised lockpicks and no real skill, just try again and again and it'll eventually open.

Don't they have barred shop windows and metal doors now? Well, some of them have metal doors, but then the guns are behind barred windows.

or the fact that gun stores are now locked up and inaccessible without higher-level equipment (e.g. acetylene torches, hacksaws)?

Unless something is changed, I've actually managed to get into Gun stores perfectly fine with 5 improvised lockpicks and no real skill, just try again and again and it'll eventually open.

My little sister, while playing this game, actually managed to get into a gun store her own way: she found a functioning light tank with shells left, aimed it at the back wall, and blew a hole in it. Was pretty cool.

Heh, I've done something like that once. I tore a grenade launcher off of a tank and shot grenades at the window until it fell apart. (Which reminds me you can't use hacksaws. :v)

Are there still the gun basements? More than once I ran into one of those long before finding the stuff to loot a gun store.

Yeah, there are. However, I've found that they have a disproportionately large chance to spawn ammo incompatible with the guns in there, or incredibly small amounts (like 10 bullets) of really good ammo like 9mm +P+.

[Aseaheru]

 Ah, thats just it spawning a single stack of it, which for most of the better rounds is a shocking low amount.

[Descan]

I've never gotten far enough to tell, but you can make your own ammo, right?

[Tawa]

I've never gotten far enough to tell, but you can make your own ammo, right?

Yeah, there's a book, The Handloader's Helper.

[blazing glory]

Unless something is changed, I've actually managed to get into Gun stores perfectly fine with 5 improvised lockpicks and no real skill, just try again and again and it'll eventually open.

Don't they have barred shop windows and metal doors now? Well, some of them have metal doors, but then the guns are behind barred windows.

Again, unless something changed then your lockpicks'll get past the metal door at the front easily, if the layout is the same then you're free to grab stuff off the racks after that.

Sledgehammer is best lockpick though.

[Aseaheru]

I've never gotten far enough to tell, but you can make your own ammo, right?

Yeah, there's a book, The Handloader's Helper.

Some of the recipes are also given just by getting fabrication skill high enough. There are also other books, but Handloader's Helper has almost all of the ammo recipes. There are a few that you need to go lab diving or be amazingly lucky to get.

[Akura]

My little sister, while playing this game, actually managed to get into a gun store her own way: she found a functioning light tank with shells left, aimed it at the back wall, and blew a hole in it. Was pretty cool.

Reminds me of this scene.

[beorn080]

Also, for almost all of them, you need to find empty brass to reload. There are a few ranged weapons that don't need bullets that are amazing, looking at the pneumatic line in particular, but if you want an actual gun, you need to find an ammo stock.