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[Sean Mirrsen]

I wonder if it's possible to make swamps useful. Make it possible to, with some tech investment and building, harvest quantities of marsh gas from certain (rare) parts of the swamps over time, and introduce combustion engines that run on natural gas, so that a player can have a renewable alternative to most gasoline-reliant things.

[IcyTea31]

Marsh gas burns on contact with oxygen, causing what mythology came to call will-o'the-wisps, foxfire, and other such things. It's very, very hard to collect, especially without ruining the ecosystem. Beyond that, the same gases could be collected from any composting organic matter, which is actually done on a few garbage dumps in real life.

[i2amroy]

They already can be quite valuable in some ways, a reliable source of salt water (And thus salt) for preserving food can be quite nice (though it won't hit it's full value until we cut down animal numbers enough that at times you actually need to have preserved food).

[azmodean]

Also we're quite close to merging a biodiesel recipe.

[IcyTea31]

A better way to use swamps as an energy source would be digging for peat and compressing it into briquettes to burn in an oven. Done in real life for a long time, doable with simple tools, why not? (Because someone would have to code it.)

[Sean Mirrsen]

On the topic of chemicals, as a Russian person I was fairly surprised that hydrogen peroxide bottles you can occasionally find do not function as disinfectant. I'm not even sure they can be made into disinfectant, without looking through the recipe files. It seems to have been largely phased out in the US as a disinfectant because it makes scarring more likely and prolongs recovery time, but it's still a disinfectant - shouldn't it be usable as such?

[i2amroy]

A better way to use swamps as an energy source would be digging for peat and compressing it into briquettes to burn in an oven. Done in real life for a long time, doable with simple tools, why not? (Because someone would have to code it.)

Mainly because being able to pull an infinite amount of fuel out of a single tile of swamp would kinda put it's value over the top a bit, and there isn't really a good way right now to separate "has taken peat from here" vs. "has not taken peat from here". You can bet this is one of the first things I'll be adding once we have a way to track a bit of data on individual tiles (which we already have some good ideas for, mainly just holding off to make the Z-level development stuff go a bit easier).

[Sheb]

Is it such an issue? A forest already provide a virtually unlimited amount of fuel.

[Descan]

The games tracks trees being cut down, why couldn't you have "peat trees"?

[Sheb]

So a "peat bog" tile that you could turn into a normal pit with a "dig peat" construction?

[Descan]

Something like that, I suppose? There're probably other methods as well.

[n9103]

On the topic of chemicals, as a Russian person I was fairly surprised that hydrogen peroxide bottles you can occasionally find do not function as disinfectant. I'm not even sure they can be made into disinfectant, without looking through the recipe files. It seems to have been largely phased out in the US as a disinfectant because it makes scarring more likely and prolongs recovery time, but it's still a disinfectant - shouldn't it be usable as such?

Yea, the non-disinfectant bugged me too.
Also, H2O2 is still common over here for first aid, just not as common as things like neosporin (anti-bact ointment), mostly due to it's bulk and longevity I would assume.
I've never seen a portable kit with H2O2, but most of the home supplies I've seen have a bottle. Personally, I've used it on just about every minor wound I've gotten, supplementing with neosporin for longer-term effectiveness when needed.

Also, with the rise of resistant strains, I wouldn't be surprised if alternatives like H2O2 become more common.

[Aseaheru]

 Yah, the lack of hydrogen peroxide for cleaning wounds confuses me too.

[kilakan]

H2O2 can be used to stop bleeding as well, at least I've found so from personal use.

Something different now:Is there any way to make moose/other normally (in real life) non-agressive animals less aggressive in the game excepting just talking animal empathy?  Cause I find it odd that a moose will run you down from kilometers away as someone who lives in Canada... it's very easy to actually just chase them off    excepting mating season mind you but they still don't run you down like a psychopathic badger.

[Aseaheru]

 I think its just a case of lowering a stat...