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[4maskwolf]

Varee and Deus Asmoth: Why weren't you voting on day end.  Sorry if you've already answered, but I'll be damned if I'm reading back after staying up so late last night.  hector13 is excused by guilty conscience, flabort by unable-to-vote, Tiruin partially due to general inability to post, and Deathsword because some ass killed him, but you two have no excuse that I've seen.

(The only reason I mentioned Deathsword was because I forgot someone had been killed D1 and was trying to figure out why my numbers weren't adding up (I was trying to add up 6 voting players, 3 excused players and 2 unexcused to 12))

hector13: What information are you trying to get out of origamiscienceguy, at this point?

Persus13: How many bops do I need to give you to get you to actually play?  Also, please explain why your vote was on flabort at day end.

flabort: Do you have anything to say?  At all?  Because your activity level has dropped significantly since the beginning of D1, and while I recognize that RL is probably part of that I'd like to hear your thoughts on the current day.

PPE: Varee: yeah, reads list are obviously going to be subjective, but sometimes you can find out scum that way.  A massclaim, you say?  I'm certainly willing to share my role and all of its permutations throughout time.

[Varee]

my vote didnt show up ...... I think something happen to it, I did vote for no lynch. I still believe that by lynching, you guys are just fulfiling the trickster goal ....

[4maskwolf]

my vote didnt show up ...... I think something happen to it, I did vote for no lynch. I still believe that by lynching, you guys are just fulfiling the trickster goal ....

Right okay yeah I forgot about that, you are excused.

[notquitethere]

The rain falls on. One of the lay monks starts frying some acid toad legs for a late breakfast.

"You've got to pretty much cremate them before they're edible," he explains, "but there's nothing else you can cook with tarragon in these parts so it's sometimes worth the effort if you're looking to use up the last of your herb supplies."

Meanwhile, the full monks continued plotting which of their number should be executed next.

Votes
4maskwolf
Shakerag
Varee
origamiscienceguy - [4] - Hector13, Flabort, 4maskwolf, Deus Asmoth
Flabort
Hector13
Tiruin
TheDarkStar
Deus Asmoth
Persus13

Mask colours: Red, Green, Bronze, White, Gold, Silver, Blue, Orange, Brown, Purple, Turquoise, Yellow, Black, Violet

Dead Masks

Spoiler: Cream (click to show/hide)

Peradon - Town - Sneaky Selfish Santa -  2xp - Cream Mask
Self-Free-Santa, Prolific, Grand Swap, Power Swap, Patsy, Blatant, Broadcaster, Hardcore, Mole

Spoiler: Pink (click to show/hide)

Deathsword - Town - Exquisite Pixie Torturer - Pink Mask - 0xp
Free-Mixed Blessings, Sap, Kill, Silent, Changeling, Prolific

The day ends 12AM GMT on the 5th, or on a hammer of 6 votes. The kill action won't come into effect until Tuesday 12AM.

[Deus Asmoth]

NQT, I voted for origami as well.

Mask, I took unable to vote.

hector, do you still have a guilty conscience, and if so are you planning to unvote before day's end?

Varee, the town doesn't lose if the trickster wins. Why is it worth giving the scum team the massive advantage of not lynching anyone just to deny a third party victory?

[4maskwolf]

Deus Asmoth: Why did't you declare it when I first asked if anyone had the flaw?

hector says he got rid of it, IIRC.

[hector13]

hector13: What information are you trying to get out of origamiscienceguy, at this point?

I was basically trying to get him to admit that an emotional response wasn't as scummy as lying, despite his other nonsense. I realised I was perhaps being a bit silly about that after I got the answer though

hector, do you still have a guilty conscience, and if so are you planning to unvote before day's end?

I do not still have a Guilty Conscience, unless someone does something terrible.

[Varee]

DA: explain to me how our day one lynch helped town? The wincon is just a side effect. Town is not limited to lynching as we have seen vigilante exists. How would mafia gain advantage if I refuse to lynch a town?

[4maskwolf]

DA: explain to me how our day one lynch helped town? The wincon is just a side effect. Town is not limited to lynching as we have seen vigilante exists. How would mafia gain advantage if I refuse to lynch a town?

The issue with this argument is that we don't know if the person with the most votes is town or scum.

[Varee]

Exactly so you are more likely to do mafia a favor instead of helping town.

[4maskwolf]

Exactly so you are more likely to do mafia a favor instead of helping town.

So you'd rather we go with the strategy that was tried last game and vig our way to victory?  Except that I, as scum, was the one to propose that plan and had a workaround, and with the greater arsenal available here I'm sure any scum would be able to find a workaround for any plan the town as a whole makes.

[Varee]

I didn't say lynch is bad, but blindly lynching on gut feeling is bad. So either we find more information somehow or you continue to do that. I won't try argue against 8 people. I kinda have a plan tmr though so we will see.....

[Deus Asmoth]

Mask, I did. I'll get the quote in a while.

DA: explain to me how our day one lynch helped town?

We know that Pera was town and can examine the cases put against him, which I am trying to do with Origami. Note the difference between that and DS's death, which gave no information to work with.

The wincon is just a side effect. Town is not limited to lynching as we have seen vigilante exists.

We've seen one kill, which was more than likely done by the scum. Is your plan for the game to refuse to vote and hope that we have enough vigilantes to out kill the scum?

How would mafia gain advantage if I refuse to lynch a town?

Unless you know who's mafia and who isn't, this is a stupid question. If you do know who's scum and who isn't, this is a stupid question because you're admitting to being scum. Varee.

[flabort]

flabort: Do you have anything to say?  At all?  Because your activity level has dropped significantly since the beginning of D1, and while I recognize that RL is probably part of that I'd like to hear your thoughts on the current day.

Yeah: Arg computer crashed while writing revised reads list.
And I feel like I've been reacting and not acting enough, but every time I try to think of some way to inject some more activity into the game, I'm coming up blank this week so far.

TDS: You asked questions to Tiruin, Hector, Varee, Shakerag and 4mask. How come no question to me?

Varee: At this point you are at best a doctor or Philanthropist, because there is no-way anyone is believing that you are town. At worst, you are a scum who's buddy is a networker and you've been swapping powers via changeling to farm points or whatever. The day 1 changeling gave you enough points to buy free- or prolific or something to use cleanse and copycat.
If, in the case you're a doctor, there are 12 players and you need 6 alive at day 4, or at game-end. There are two dead already, both town. If there are 4 anti-town players out there, then you need them and only them to die to end the game and still win; or, 3 or less deaths by day 4. We've already seen that at least one player possessed a kill, so it's unlikely for you to complete that goal. If one more town dies, then your only hope is to protect, protect, protect until day 4.
If, in the case you're a philanthropist, which you deny, then if you haven't completed your goal so far then you have to find some other strategy; this is your best hope for being town-aligned in our eyes.
That leaves 4 very antitown 3rd-party possibilities, with the thief being potentially the least antitown of those, and the possibility that you're scum. Counting the doctor case as half-town aligned, and the denial of being a philanthropist as the same, then you have a 1/7 chance of not being detrimental to everyone (6 third party+scum=7 possibilities). I'd take those odds,

[hector13]

Spoiler: 4maskwolf (click to show/hide)

Post 162: Responds to my RVS response and transitions out of RVS by seriously voting for me.
Post 169: Says that I'm being too responsive. Link. he said you were being too reactive, not responsive
Post 192: tells Peradon that Peradon is misusing post analysis.
Post 211: Asks people to share relevant information
Post 237: Requests a policy lynch of Shakerag. Link. he said he's only had the urge to policy lynch him. No request to do so in this game.
Post 267: Asks everyone for reads.
Post 283: Reads. They basically match the current events except OSG and flabort are rated townier in this earlier post.
Post 371: Talks about why OSG is scummy
Post 358, 364: Scumhunts Peradon
Post 371: switches vote from me to Peradon for Peradon's lack of a case and lack of defense

You've misrepresented 4mask two times there, though the second one was much more egregious than the first. Why are you trying to portray 4mask as requesting others to policy lynch another player when he did no such thing?

I'd also like to point out your lack of linkage is noted, making people actually have to go back and look themselves that what you say they said is what they actually said.

Spoiler: My reads list (click to show/hide)

Scum: Origami and TDS. I don't like how Origami said he voted Perry for being emotional, nor do I like the timing of his vote which guaranteed Perry's lynch. He also admitted that an emotional reaction was less scummy than lying, which he suspected TDS of doing.

TDS has been misrepresenting people for the entire game, and hasn't made much content other than regurgitating what everyone has said, and I think that's worse than what Origami has been doing.

Scum-lean: Shakerag left their RVS vote on Perry for the entire game, which I mentioned previously was significant as it helped Perry get lynched.

Varee: No-lynches are bad. Town lynches aren't good, but they at least get some information into the game, which allows more informed scum-hunting and voting.

Persus: seemed to be chainsaw defending TDS here. Given my scum-read on TDS, 's bad. This is like... closer to null than scum, but the very slight scum-lean places them here.

Null: Tiruin. Nothing to really look at. Don't like it, but if they have bad internet, nothing can really be done.

Town-lean:DA: When they posted about Deathsword being potential scum after death, it made it look as though they weren't paying attention to the game. Otherwise seems to be making an effort, which is good.

Town: flabort: was active D1 and scum-hunting, letting us know what posts resulted in his reads in his list. Perhaps a bit too many quotes, but more information is arguably better than less.

4mask... 4mask. I don't really know where to place you. You're being active and scumhunting like flabort, but you changing your vote at the last minute which resulted in Perry's lynch really works against you. It's not as suspect as Origami jumping on after you, but I didn't like it. You're probably a neutral scum-lean just now.

Unvote. Vote TDS.